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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:12am
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Fair enough. I still maintain the video in the OP was not that clear though. So this raises the question, why didn't the L do anything?
What could the L do? If he suspected the ball went in but his T and his C who had much better angles acted like it didn't and the one player in white acted like he didn't.

It looks like from the video, he gave his thoughts to the C and the T and the call was no good.

Anything else he could have done?
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:15am
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Anything else he could have done?
If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:20am
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If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.
If the three officials don't know and they go to the table...the table is final decision correct?

So if the table says "no goal" then we don't have a goal.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:37pm
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If the three officials don't know and they go to the table...the table is final decision correct?

So if the table says "no goal" then we don't have a goal.
No. The officials decision is the final decision. All the table does is provide information.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:22am
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If the L was the R perhaps he could've checked in with the table crew.
If not, he could suggest that the R does so.
Too much reliance on titles (R, U1, U2), IMO. If the L wasn't sure, he should have stopped the game and checked with his partners, then the table.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:40am
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If the L wasn't sure, he should have stopped the game and checked with his partners, then the table.
That's what I would do.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:54am
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That's what I would do.
That sounds most reasonable to me. However, if the shot had not gone in wouldn't you be taking away a potential fast break opportunity? The correctable error parameters were still in place. And the officials got together at the first dead ball following the error.

So as the L would you have waited or still just blew it dead?
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:56am
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The correctable error parameters were still in place. And the officials got together at the first dead ball following the error.
Is that a CE??
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:58am
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Looks to me, after finally watching the entire video (rather than just the first part), that they did talk to the table. What did the table say?
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:03pm
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Is that a CE??
Yes. Erroneously counting or canceling a score.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:58am
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That sounds most reasonable to me. However, if the shot had not gone in wouldn't you be taking away a potential fast break opportunity? The correctable error parameters were still in place. And the officials got together at the first dead ball following the error.

So as the L would you have waited or still just blew it dead?
If I thought it went in and they didn't inbound the ball, I'd blow it dead immediately. There is still time at that point to fix everything. If you don't, and allow play to continue until a dead ball you may have rewarded the opposing team for not properly inbounding the ball.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:15am
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What could the L do? If he suspected the ball went in but his T and his C who had much better angles acted like it didn't and the one player in white acted like he didn't.

It looks like from the video, he gave his thoughts to the C and the T and the call was no good.

Anything else he could have done?
It looked to me like the L thought it went in the whole time, based on his body language —*he didn't move to run back up the other way (like you normally would on a steal) ... he waited, as if he was waiting for the other team to take the ball OOB for the throw-in after a made basket.

Whether or not he knew, of course, is another story.

There is a difference between coaches protesting calls and PROTESTING calls ... this one is the latter. You have to recognize these situations and realize that more than likely you have screwed up if the coach, fans, everyone are saying the ball went in. Dozens of people aren't going to lie about that. Go to the table, get some information (someone at the table saw the ball go in, I guarantee you), and fix the problem!
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 11:20am
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[QUOTE=Brad;823810]It looked to me like the L thought it went in the whole time, based on his body language —*he didn't move to run back up the other way (like you normally would on a steal) ... he waited, as if he was waiting for the other team to take the ball OOB for the throw-in after a made basket.

Brad,
If you were lead and you thought the basket was good. What would you do if the ball was not taken out properly?
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 12:27pm
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If you were lead and you thought the basket was good. What would you do if the ball was not taken out properly?
Blow my whistle and instruct the other team to take the ball OOB for a throw-in.
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Old Tue Feb 14, 2012, 01:47pm
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Blow my whistle and instruct the other team to take the ball OOB for a throw-in.
Agreed, this is one reason I thought the basket wasn't good. Its been proven since that it was. No reaction from the lead made me think it just skimmed the net. And to be totally honest, when I first watched the video I was looking for a foul.
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