What do you got?

truerookie · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:15pm

The C had the look, the Trail wasn't even at half court. The players didn't even take the ball out of bounds after the made basket. NO EXCUSE!!!

BktBallRef · #2 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:32pm

Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

Raymond · #3 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:40pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

I know on my first viewing I wasn't sure the ball went in so I could understand if the C saw it the same way. If you see his converstation with the coach his hand gesturing indicates that he thinks the ball hit below the rim.

The fact that some players reacted like it went in and some did not shows that this was a tough one to call in real time.

truerookie · #4 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 05:50pm

As I look at the video over and over, the ball clearly goes into the basket. If the ball was short it would have hit the floor directly towards the L. However, its trajectory is altered and bounces away from the lead. This was a missed called.

bainsey · #5 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:57pm

If we're to be accurate, the C or T should've blown this dead immediately, making it a 3 for blue and a throw-in violation for white, correct?

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?

No. If I think the ball went in, I immediately kill the play. Award the points or give the ball to white, who had the ball when I killed the play.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

If you pause the video just right, or use this video the ball clearly goes through the basket:

I paused the video over and over and I don't see the ball clearly going in the basket. I see the ball hitting the net. The quality of the video is not good enough to see whether the ball goes through the ring or not.

All things being equal, there's no hesitation by the C, the T or the players. No players are raising their arms and yelling for a basket. The hand is quicker than the eye. I've got no basket.

BTW, if the ball is in the net, the player who jumped for the pass has his hand on the rim, which is BI.

Welpe · #7 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 11:20pm

I'm not convinced the basket was good either, I don't think the video is quite good enough to really tell.

JetMetFan · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 13, 2012, 04:53am

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Originally Posted by bainsey

If we're to be accurate, the C or T should've blown this dead immediately, making it a 3 for blue and a throw-in violation for white, correct?

Now, let's say your the C or the T, and you think the ball went in, but continued the play until the next dead ball. Obviously, you'd get the crew together about it, but the only thing you could do is award the 3, and let all other play stand (no throw-in violation), correct?

First...It's a three. If you pause the video at about 0:11 you can see the ball above the rim and then a split-second later it takes a sharp left turn. I went to a science high school

so I know there's no way a ball does that in mid-air by itself.

Second...If I happen to stop it and award the goal I'm not calling a throw-in violation. I'd just give the ball to White. Given the general confusion on the court I think that makes sense.

Third...yes, if you figured things out after the foul you'd just award the 3 and go to the POI which is whatever penalty is being administered for the foul.

Welpe · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 13, 2012, 09:43am

Does the ball change direction from hitting the rim...or from hitting the player? I'm still not convinced from the video.

Camron Rust · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 13, 2012, 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

Does the ball change direction from hitting the rim...or from hitting the player? I'm still not convinced from the video.

I think it went in. It looked (to me) that it changed direction before the player got to it...which means it was the rim and only the inside of the rim could have changed it in the way that it changed.

SNIPERBBB · #11 (**permalink**) Sun Feb 12, 2012, 09:01pm

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Sorry guys but I'm not 100% sure the ball went in the basket. White #30 is looking straight up at the ball and the basket and he obviously didn't think it went through the basket. He's standing right there. None of the players on the floor react as if the ball went in. I think it's very possible that it just hit the net.

If you pause the video just right, or use this video the ball clearly goes through the basket: