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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:45pm
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Nothing you can do or say right now is going to prevent me from going to Ohio this weekend; because I'm not trying.
That's not quite the concept of prevention: otherwise, it would be impossible to prevent measles in someone who wasn't trying to catch it.

The concept you want here is not prevention but obstruction or hindrance, which does require an effort and an opposition.

And anyway, you might not be trying to go to Ohio this weekend, but you know you want to!
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:56pm
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That's not quite the concept of prevention: otherwise, it would be impossible to prevent measles in someone who wasn't trying to catch it.

The concept you want here is not prevention but obstruction or hindrance, which does require an effort and an opposition.

And anyway, you might not be trying to go to Ohio this weekend, but you know you want to!

You sound like Sheldon Cooper, Ph.D.

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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:59pm
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You sound like Sheldon Cooper, Ph.D.

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That is perfect! (just like Sheldon Cooper!)
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:08pm
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Lets get back on point.

H1 bent over to pick up a loose ball. I willing to bet dollars to donuts that the first thing he would do is stand upright. I seriously doubt he would hike the ball through his legs to a teammate (even though I did see this happen in a girls' game once, ). The point is that V2 violated H1's CV and made contact with H1 that prevented him from standing upright.


A better example would be this play:

A1 dives for a loose ball and gains control of the ball while laying prone on his stomach on the floor. From this postion A1 can roll (this would be considered a pass by rule) to A2 who is standing a few feet in frong of him. B1 who was trying to out race A1 to the ball lands on top of A1 but this contact does not prevent A1 from rolling the ball to A2, which he does almost immediately after B1 lands on A1. Foul on B1 or not?

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P.S. I have to get ready for a game with Mark, Jr., tonight. Have a good evening guys and gals.
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:12pm
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Yes, but it is not a foul in the Act of Shooting. It is a Common Foul.

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The ol' "nice move kid & great head fake as well, now take it out & try it again" call?

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A better example would be this play:

A1 dives for a loose ball and gains control of the ball while laying prone on his stomach on the floor. From this postion A1 can roll (this would be considered a pass by rule) to A2 who is standing a few feet in frong of him. B1 who was trying to out race A1 to the ball lands on top of A1 but this contact does not prevent A1 from rolling the ball to A2, which he does almost immediately after B1 lands on A1. Foul on B1 or not?

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P.S. I have to get ready for a game with Mark, Jr., tonight. Have a good evening guys and gals.
Well, seeing how B1 landed ON top of A1 I have a foul. This play is much different than 2 hands in the back of A1. Sometimes the contact is so egregious that we cant overlook it.

Have a great game tonight!!
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 02:16pm
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I really feel you must be envisioning a different play than everyone else MTD.
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Old Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:59pm
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The ol' "nice move kid & great head fake as well, now take it out & try it again" call?

Not if Team A is in the bonus.

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