Situational Officiating

[APG]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Exactly right. Those that say "a foul in the first half is the same as a foul at the end" are absolutely correct -- but the corollary to this is that a mistake in the first half isn't going to be viewed the same as a mistake at the end of the game.

Perception is reality in many cases. One thing I noticed as the years go on is that we get to the end in a close game and I'm the calmest person in the house. That doesn't happen overnight.

+1

Just ask the crew from that Big East tournament game about the last 20 seconds of their game (some questionable calls and the blatant missed OOB call) and if they would of rather had that occur at the end of the first half or at the end of the game...and ask the assignor if he cares more that it occurred at the end of the game or not.

[RookieDude]

Coming in late...

I don't know, I didn't see the contact...but, I say, shake your head up and down when the veteran is telling you something...she might have actually been correct. (maybe not philosophically, but about the contact)

Afterall...you did say you had to SELL it.

[ref3808]

Interesting use of the term "rivalry" here. A few games back (Boys JV) the HC, during a time out, asked me if I realized this was a "rivalry" game. I wondered what the coach expected to gain from telling me that. Did he expect that I would call the game differently for that reason? To my knowledge we work from one rule set regardless of the game circumstances.

[bob jenkins]

I think you need to be extra alert for sportsmanship issues during a rivalry game.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you need to be extra alert for sportsmanship issues during a rivalry game.

Right on...these "types of games" can get a little rougher. Many times the players know each other and there could be issues from the past.

[ref3808]

Perhaps, but it was a well played game to that point with nothing out of the ordinary going on and, without putting too much emphasis on this, it was a JV game. I could see where the varsity game later on might have a little more emotion surrounding it but not the sub varsity.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I think you need to be extra alert for sportsmanship issues during a rivalry game.

Euphemism for, "Watch out for a fight".

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ref3808

“Arguments derived from probabilities are idle” -Plato

Plato's peculiar obsession for deductive validity does not bear admiration: it would rule out virtually all of natural and social science, and undermine the justification of almost everything we think we know about the universe.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Plato's peculiar obsession for deductive validity does not bear admiration: it would rule out virtually all of natural and social science, and undermine the justification of almost everything we think we know about the universe.

Just exactly what language are you speaking? I'm getting a headache trying to figure out what you're trying to say.

And what does Play-Doh have to do with basketball?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by ref3808

Perhaps, but it was a well played game to that point with nothing out of the ordinary going on and, without putting too much emphasis on this, it was a JV game. I could see where the varsity game later on might have a little more emotion surrounding it but not the sub varsity.

FWIW....
Earlier this season in a BJV game a HC mentioned it being a rivalry game when he felt an IF should have been called. His point was (and in thinking back on it later I thought it had some merit) that often "stuff" that goes on in the JV game carries over to the varsity game. Varsity is sitting in the stands watching the game, certain JV players from both teams also dressing for varsity, fans and students from both schools caught up in the importance of winning both games etc., etc.

[Texas Aggie]

I've made those sorts of calls, so I know where you are coming from, but the closer you get to the end of a very close game, you have to resist the urge to call fouls far from the basket. Absolute rule? Hell no. Its just a guide -- someone gets dusted and you make the call even if in the parking lot. But in general, the viewpoint of advantage/disadvantage CAN and DOES change as the game moves on and you want to keep what you do out of it as much as you can. When you are needed, you step in and make the call. Otherwise, don't.

What you called in the first half may or may not have a bearing on what you call later. Did you miss the earlier call? Were you attempting to clean something up (which never works below quality girls varsity, in my view)? You can't make an absolute saying that if you called it early you must call it late with 2 seconds left in a tie game.