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SNIPERBBB Tue Jan 31, 2012 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 818745)
I hope you forgot a smiley. Otherwise the next 2 pages will be dominated by a certain official from a certain corner of Connecticutt.

Fixed.

Adam Tue Jan 31, 2012 05:14pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 818738)
That's what we need: A good ol' myth checklist.

Hopefully a shorter version than we've seen before. Top ten, one sentence each, or no one not hooked on nutmeg will read it.

BillyMac Tue Jan 31, 2012 08:58pm

The Land Of Two Person Crews ...
 
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 818748)
Fixed.

No. It's a certain little corner of The Land of Steady Habits.

fortmoney Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 818738)
That's what we need: A good ol' myth checklist.

1. Over the back
2. Sliding on the floor with the ball is automatically walking
3. You have to be standing still with your hands holding your crotch to take a charge
4. Dribbling high is a carry
5. Awkward plays are always illegal

Etc etc

Rich Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:40pm

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Originally Posted by fortmoney (Post 818823)
1. Over the back
2. Sliding on the floor with the ball is automatically walking
3. You have to be standing still with your hands holding your crotch to take a charge
4. Dribbling high is a carry
5. Awkward plays are always illegal

Etc etc

What's walking?

Cobra Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:57am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 818160)
Why hold back?

Coach: Over the back.
Official: No contact no foul, coach.
At this level on the next dead ball you could explain that on the back is a foul but over the back minus contact isnt. Sometimes on the back that doesnt result in possession consequence wont get a whistle.

Coach: He's reachin' in.
Official: Again, no contact no foul, coach.
At this level on the next dead ball you could explain how it would be tough for defenders to get steals without reaching.

JMO

That is not a good thing to say. A player can reach in or go over the back and make contact with his opponent without fouling him.

APG Wed Feb 01, 2012 01:40am

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 818845)
That is not a good thing to say. A player can reach in or go over the back and make contact with his opponent without fouling him.

That was his point...

Adam Wed Feb 01, 2012 01:56am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 818853)
That was his point...

No, his point was that there can't be a foul without contact. The coach is going to hear it that way and in his mind add the unspoken, "if there's any contact it's a foul."

Cobra Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:13am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 818853)
That was his point...

No. The coach says, "Hey, that is over the back." He says, "No contact, no foul." He should say, "No illegal contact which hindered the opponent from preforming his normal movements."

Adam Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:16am

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 818959)
No. The coach says, "Hey, that is over the back." He says, "No contact, no foul." He should say, "No illegal contact which hindered the opponent from preforming his normal movements."

That sentence is too long, IMO, so unless the coach has actually asked a question, I don't respond to "over the back." Oddly, I've never had a coach actually ask why this isn't a foul; they simply yell "over the back."

bainsey Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:19am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 818854)
No, his point was that there can't be a foul without contact. The coach is going to hear it that way and in his mind add the unspoken, "if there's any contact it's a foul."

Maybe, maybe not. How can you know for sure that's what the synapses are brewing?

Raymond Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:25am

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Originally Posted by Cobra (Post 818959)
No. The coach says, "Hey, that is over the back." He says, "No contact, no foul." He should say, "No illegal contact which hindered the opponent from preforming his normal movements."

Did you forget a smiley?

Me I'm going with "he didn't touch him coach" or "he went straight up".

If the coach infers my first statement to mean that any contact during a rebound is a foul that's his problem. The minimum requiremet for a foul is contact, it's not the only requirement.

Adam Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:27am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 818966)
Maybe, maybe not. How can you know for sure that's what the synapses are brewing?

Maybe I'm jaded, but I assume they'll take the meaning that was furthest from my intent. Short phrases are best, but they often leave too much room for misinterpretation.

Official: "No contact, no foul."
Coach: "But there was contact!"

Now you've started a conversation. I would only possibly say this if I know 100% for certain there was no contact; but even then, on the next play when there is some incidental contat, you've set yourself up for another conversation.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:30am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 818966)
Maybe, maybe not. How can you know for sure that's what the synapses are brewing?

Experience.

That is, while we can't know "for sure" that's what is going on, we know there's a 92.8% chance it's true.

I use either "no displacement" or "no advantage" or "incidental contact" when I choose to address this.

Duffman Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 818976)
Experience.

That is, while we can't know "for sure" that's what is going on, we know there's a 92.8% chance it's true.

I use either "no displacement" or "no advantage" or "incidental contact" when I choose to address this.

Do a ton of youth ball on the weekends so I get all these more than most as fans seem to a be a bit more knowledgeable as the teams get older.

1) 3 seconds myths. For the life of me I don't understand why people yell the loudest about things they understand the least. People don't understand things like a try stops the count, or you need team control for a 3 second violation. You see the former a lot in youth ball when you end up with ten kids in the lane as two tall kids take turns exchanging air balls over the rim because nobody knows how to use the damn back board. Inevitably you end up with someone counting 1-2-3-4-5-6-7.... as this happens.

My favorite was earlier this year when I had a fan literally screaming at the top of her lungs for 3 seconds during an inbound play.

2) Sliding with possession of the ball is traveling.

3) The defense has to be 100% set and stationary to take a charge.


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