ROP, twice in one game

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by packersowner

I'll say it again, there is a time and place where this is necessary. However, you can watch games at every level with the best officials in the country, there is no way they are putting the ball on the floor 99% of the time as soon as the 2nd horn sounds.

You'd be mistaken.

I worked with one of the top officials in the state a couple years back who did just that. He had told the captain, he had told the coaches in the pre-game meeting. On the first timeout where they were a bit slow, he prodded them out. Next timeout, he put the ball down right after the 2nd horn.

The coach who had possession later said to him, with a smile, ", you only warned us 3 times" and some other words basically saying they were fairly instructed.

Some officials may not be able to pull it off so smoothly, bit it is done.

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You'd be mistaken.
I worked with one of the top officials in the state a couple years back who did just that. He had told the captain, he had told the coaches in the pre-game meeting. On the first timeout where they were a bit slow, he prodded them out. Next timeout, he put the ball down right after the 2nd horn.

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

[tref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

So... if we dont review EVERY rule & situation in pregame then we cant call it?
Sounds like the coach that gets whacked & says "you never warned me!"

[Rich]

Originally Posted by packersowner

As I continue to say, there is a time and place. If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved. Based on the original post they hadn't discussed it or even warned either team. They just put the ball down.

I am one who doesn't mention it. And I'm in no hurry to put the ball on the floor.

However, the first time the huddle isn't broken on the *second* horn, I'm telling the coach to get out quicker, that we're ready to go on the second horn. The next time they're still huddled up when that second horn goes, the ball's on the floor about 3-4 seconds later and I'm counting.

*There's never a third time.* Why? Cause they know we mean business and that I'll do it again if they stay in the huddle too long.

I've put exactly 3 balls on the floor this season and I've worked 35 games, varsity and above. Not once did I even think I was "sticking it to the coach" or in a hurry to get out of there. I don't think allowing timeouts to drag from 60 to 90+ seconds is good for the game.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by packersowner

If you have warned both teams and let them know in pre-game is definitely deserved.

2-12 Timers Duties

Art. 4 Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to resume play..........

On top of that, many places an official approaches the huddle at the first horn to say, "First horn, white! Let's go!" (stupid and redundant imo)

Assuming part of this procedure was done, consider yourself duly warned.

[fiasco]

I had a Jr High game once where I used the ROP procedure after a timeout. It was right by the bleachers and a parent was screaming "You can't do that! It's your job to teach the girls!"

I turned around and said, "Well, this is how you teach them," tweeted my whistle and started my count.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

2-12 Timers Duties

Art. 4 Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to resume play..........

On top of that, many places an official approaches the huddle at the first horn to say, "First horn, white! Let's go!" (stupid and redundant imo)

Assuming part of this procedure was done, consider yourself duly warned.

You consider the "first horn" warning by the official to be stupid? It's standard procedure everywhere I've lived.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

You consider the "first horn" warning by the official to be stupid? It's standard procedure everywhere I've lived.

It's standard procedure here. But if they didn't hear/react to the horn, why would the official repeating the warning a second later be helpful?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's standard procedure here. But if they didn't hear/react to the horn, why would the official repeating the warning a second later be helpful?

Believe me, it helps.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Believe me, it helps.

Sometimes, maybe it does. Sometimes, it obviously doesn't.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

2-12 Timers Duties

Art. 4 Sound a warning signal 15 seconds before the expiration of an intermission or time-out, immediately after which the players shall prepare to resume play..........

On top of that, many places an official approaches the huddle at the first horn to say, "First horn, white! Let's go!" (stupid and redundant imo)

Assuming part of this procedure was done, consider yourself duly warned.

It's a POE for NCAA-M. Guess it's been a big enough problem at the college level that they want the officials to be stupid and redundant.

[Adam]

About 50% of the time I put the ball down, I hear parents yelling, "He's counting, hurry up!"

Oddly, the defense hardly ever seems to be late.