Duke/Clemson Flagrant 1

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Flagrant 1 (old Intentional Foul) is 2 hands crossed above the head. As I and another member has posted you cannot downgrade a foul once going to the monitor. So if it was already signaled as a Flagrant 1 then the only other option would have been a Flagrant 2. You cannot downgrade to a personal foul or no-call.

I'm almost positive that signal was not made. I wish I had kept the DVR recording of the game. I PM'ed APG to see if he could snag the clip to give us more info.

What were you trying to get at with the way you worded your post? I'm inferring you are criticizing Karl Hess' decision even though you have admitted you don't know the rule.

I wasn't trying to "get" at anything. My words mean exactly what they say. According to official accounts of what happened on the play, the official(s) were informed by the player that no contact was made. That, combined with the replay, still resulted in a call of flagrant 1. I'm curious as to why.

I'm not criticizing Karl Hess' decision. I'm questioning it, based on what I've read in the rule book and what I've read about the play in question. I'm seeking additional insight from other forum members about the play and the rule(s) in question.

Can you help me out by citing what rule says you can't downgrade a foul even after going to the monitor? I couldn't find it in the NCAA rule book. The word "downgrade" doesn't even appear in the book.