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Old Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:43pm
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Actually I said it was unclear and I was not alone in saying that. Again, if you want to call a flagrant foul, good for you. I honestly do not care or would not object to your judgment.



OK it is clear.



But they obviously did not agree with you right? They obviously did not call a flagrant right? And since it was so clear to you on a tape looking at a strightlined view, they obviously had likely a better angle than you did and came to some conclusion other than what you and a few with the benefit of replay and watching over and over the officials seemed to not have.



I will say it this way, you are flat out wrong. You are wrong because if a player was trying to get their arm free and inadvertently hit someone in the face, head or chest is different than throwing a punch out of anger. If it was not the case than the NCAA would not have officials look at the monitor for plays like this in the first place. And unlike the NCAA these guys did not get replay or other angles to help them make the call. And younger officials need to also realize that if they make the wrong ruling in someone's eyes, they might be subjected to not working certain games or be perceived as not having good judgment. We can debate this tape all day like we did the last one on flagrant fouls and even in that one there were opinions all over the place on what was or what was not flagrant. It does matter everything that takes place because it might tell the story as to if this was a punch or just a reaction to being held. I have been around long enough in my local area to hear about an official that overreacted to a situation only to later be taken off games or banned from a conference because they did not use "good judgment." Just because I think what happen first matters to the reaction on some level is not unusual in officiating and why the officials talked in this situation. If it was clear, they would have not needed to talk.

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A similar thing should happen if an official under reacts and leaves a kid in the game who should've been ejected on a flagrant, right?

I will agree with what you said with respect to a held arm and the reaction. We had a player throw an elbow the other night that did not land and the other coach was all over us. Of course, the opposing player had grabbed hold of the arm in an effort to get to the ball and the reaction was to try to free himself from the hold. Just what I told the coach, too. Maybe he didn't like that, but then again, approximately half the people in those types of situations don't like what we say either.

Off to do a game. Assignment 2 of 6 this week. I like being busy.

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Old Tue Jan 17, 2012, 10:31pm
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A similar thing should happen if an official under reacts and leaves a kid in the game who should've been ejected on a flagrant, right?

I will agree with what you said with respect to a held arm and the reaction. We had a player throw an elbow the other night that did not land and the other coach was all over us. Of course, the opposing player had grabbed hold of the arm in an effort to get to the ball and the reaction was to try to free himself from the hold. Just what I told the coach, too. Maybe he didn't like that, but then again, approximately half the people in those types of situations don't like what we say either.

Off to do a game. Assignment 2 of 6 this week. I like being busy.

6 assignments in a week is busy? Out of curiosity how many games do you do a year?
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Old Tue Jan 17, 2012, 10:39pm
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6 assignments in a week is busy? Out of curiosity how many games do you do a year?
6 of 7 days isn't busy to you?
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Old Tue Jan 17, 2012, 11:57pm
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6 of 7 days isn't busy to you?
I work rotating 12 hour shifts, so I don't work nearly as much as some people but it isn't uncommon me to work 4 high school league assignments (Jv and V double headers) through the week and then another 5-6 double headers on the weekend.....
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Old Wed Jan 18, 2012, 12:02am
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I work rotating 12 hour shifts, so I don't work nearly as much as some people but it isn't uncommon me to work 4 high school league assignments (Jv and V double headers) through the week and then another 5-6 double headers on the weekend.....
We work single games here. A JV crew works the JV game. There are *no* HS games on Wednesdays and Sundays. I work no rec ball. So working 6 games (4 days during the week and 2 on Saturdays (afternoon/evening)) is about as good as it gets around here.

A full season is about 45-60 assignments around here. That's enough. I'd gladly work 2 games a night, but they just don't do that and working one BV game is enough for me, especially since many of our games are still 2-person.
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6 assignments in a week is busy? Out of curiosity how many games do you do a year?
Most definitely busy for me. Just realized I have 7 games this week.

Not working much HS ball this season b/c of a contract controversy that is happening locally. But even in a normal season 4 games in a week would be the most I'd want to do.

I started officiating when I needed extra income due to my first marriage breaking up and I always had a 50/50 split on custodial time with my children. So I've never been a available to work a high number of games in a week. Back in my early days there were those weekends where I'd work a whole bunch of AAU games but then the next weekend I would work zero.
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Most definitely busy for me. Just realized I have 7 games this week.
When is the BNR road show coming to the River City?
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When is the BNR road show coming to the River City?
Won't know that until around June. I heard rumor that your new commissioner has been named, is that true?
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Won't know that until around June. I heard rumor that your new commissioner has been named, is that true?
I've PM'ed you on this matter.
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