Starting the clock mechanic

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Really? In college games you give a hold signal or a push signal on a shooting foul as the L? You'd be the first college official I'd ever seen do that.

I'm a Badger season ticket holder and the only preliminary signals I ever see are for blocks or PC fouls.

I see the hand-check signal given on the spot quite frequently.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I see the hand-check signal given on the spot quite frequently.

Hand checks? In the Big 10?

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If an official did not use a preliminary signal, it has nothing to do with college ball or at least the college ball I work. In the CCA Men's Manual we are instructed to give a preliminary signal at the spot of the foul. And most college games I see there is a preliminary signal given on practically every foul. If anything that is probably a Women's college thing or what goes on in the NBA. I think people who do not know think if you don't use a preliminary signal like they assume with other things there is some college mechanic that applies to what they see and it does not at least when it applies to the one you see on TV all the time.

Peace

The only preliminary signals I have seen in D1 games I watch are hand check, PC, and block. Pushing, holding, and illegal use of hands rarely, if ever, get a preliminary.

Are you saying that there is no such thing as "college mechanics"? I think two-hand/walking reporting, a different reporting area, not stopping the clock with an open hand, etc. are college mechanics. At least college officials are given leeway to do those things differently than most high school officials.

Around here in HS games we are expected to use approved HS mechanics. (Prelim. signal, point to throw-in spot, one-hand reporting, etc on fouls). It can be tedious, but I like it because it is very annoying when you work with a guy with poor mechanics. (Won't give the throw-in spot, etc) Most guys I work with have good mechanics.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The only preliminary signals I have seen in D1 games I watch are hand check, PC, and block. Pushing, holding, and illegal use of hands rarely, if ever, get a preliminary.

I have seen the "chucking" signal for years. This year that is a new signal but it was added and I saw it all the time in games and I see many other signals.

Originally Posted by zm1283

Are you saying that there is no such thing as "college mechanics"? I think two-hand/walking reporting, a different reporting area, not stopping the clock with an open hand, etc. are college mechanics. At least college officials are given leeway to do those things differently than most high school officials.

Not what I said at all. I am talking about there is no "college mechanic" that says going from 12 to 3 O'clock is only a college mechanic or it is outside of HS mechanics. The signal looks practically identical in the book as well as other signals look practically the same. But because people assume things they see and then call it a "college mechanic" if it is not done to what they perceive to be a high school mechanic or style when I have never been told or known anyone to be told at college camps "That is a HS mechanic you cannot do that."

Originally Posted by zm1283

Around here in HS games we are expected to use approved HS mechanics. (Prelim. signal, point to throw-in spot, one-hand reporting, etc on fouls). It can be tedious, but I like it because it is very annoying when you work with a guy with poor mechanics. (Won't give the throw-in spot, etc) Most guys I work with have good mechanics.

We are expected to use HS mechanics too. But the funny thing is I work a lot of both and if you watched me work a HS or college game, my mechanics are practically identical except for a couple of very small differences, like using the "chuck" signal for example. But the way I signal a basket counted, how I signal a one and one or even when I signal an "illegal use of the hands" are all the same. Actually I do not signal the last signal with a fist and no one says anything to me and it is the identical signal in both codes I work.

Peace

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have seen the "chucking" signal for years. This year that is a new signal but it was added and I saw it all the time in games and I see many other signals.



Not what I said at all. I am talking about there is no "college mechanic" that says going from 12 to 3 O'clock is only a college mechanic or it is outside of HS mechanics. The signal looks practically identical in the book as well as other signals look practically the same. But because people assume things they see and then call it a "college mechanic" if it is not done to what they perceive to be a high school mechanic or style when I have never been told or known anyone to be told at college camps "That is a HS mechanic you cannot do that."



We are expected to use HS mechanics too. But the funny thing is I work a lot of both and if you watched me work a HS or college game, my mechanics are practically identical except for a couple of very small differences, like using the "chuck" signal for example. But the way I signal a basket counted, how I signal a one and one or even when I signal an "illegal use of the hands" are all the same. Actually I do not signal the last signal with a fist and no one says anything to me and it is the identical signal in both codes I work.

Peace

Would you say then that since the mechanics look almost the same in the book, that college officials are given a lot more leeway on what they are required to do signal/mechanic wise? From what I can tell they aren't required to stop the clock with an open hand (Some don't stop it on PC fouls), they report with two hands, walk when reporting, etc. I'm not trying to complain about college officials by any means, I'm just curious why the mechanics end up being so different sometimes.

[zm1283]

By the way, when you guys talk about going from "12 to 3" or "12 to 4" when starting the clock, can you clarify? I probably have seen what you're talking about but I haven't heard anyone talk about it like that in person before.

I usually chop with one finger down to my waist almost right in front of my body, if that makes any sense.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by zm1283

By the way, when you guys talk about going from "12 to 3" or "12 to 4" when starting the clock, can you clarify? I probably have seen what you're talking about but I haven't heard anyone talk about it like that in person before.

I usually chop with one finger down to my waist almost right in front of my body, if that makes any sense.

Picture hands moving on a clock with "12" being straight up and "3" being 90 degrees down from there. In other words my chop is an open hand straight up and then down to be parallel to the floor and hold that for a beat before I drop my arm.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

... they report with two hands, walk when reporting, etc. I'm ...

2-hand reporting is an NCAA mechanic.

Walking and talking is the preferred by at least one D1 supervisor who recently retired from the NBA.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

2-hand reporting is an NCAA mechanic.

Walking and talking is the preferred by at least one D1 supervisor who recently retired from the NBA.

I know, that's why I was pointing it out to JRut that I have only seen college officials do these things and not high school officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Would you say then that since the mechanics look almost the same in the book, that college officials are given a lot more leeway on what they are required to do signal/mechanic wise?

I would not say that they are given leeway, I think the powers that be care more about officiating than signals. And I do not think they care about things like fitting the picture to a tee.

Originally Posted by zm1283

From what I can tell they aren't required to stop the clock with an open hand (Some don't stop it on PC fouls), they report with two hands, walk when reporting, etc. I'm not trying to complain about college officials by any means, I'm just curious why the mechanics end up being so different sometimes.

You are still supposed to stop the clock (same as NF). And just like anything in life people do not always do exactly what is written. It does not drastically change at the HS level either. When I watch HS games on TV I see a lot of things that are not HS mechanics either. I do not consider it any more than that, just an official not using the prescribed mechanics that is all. If the the assignor/supervisor does not care, why would we really care?

Peace