Starting the clock mechanic

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

And, yet, that edict does not seem to inhibit many from earning style points.

In my experience, deviating slightly is not nearly as bad as using college mechanics. One of our very best has been passed over repeatedly and told point blank he'll never advance to the state tourney as long as he uses college mechanics. Sad and silly...but thats the way it is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In my experience, deviating slightly is not nearly as bad as using college mechanics. One of our very best has been passed over repeatedly and told point blank he'll never advance to the state tourney as long as he uses college mechanics. Sad and silly...but thats the way it is.

What is the college mechanic? I did not know there was a difference honestly.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

Several that Im aware of...two hand reporting for fouls (college). Arm and hammer (college) on a foul instead of straight up with fist. Open palm for EVERY out of bounds (or any whistle other than foul). Fingers out to side at C when administring fouls. Those are the ones I've heard mentioned specifically. I'm sure there's more.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Several that Im aware of...two hand reporting for fouls (college). Arm and hammer on a foul instead of straight up with fist (college). Open palm for EVERY out of bounds (or any whistle other than foul). Fingers out to side at C when administring fouls. Those are the ones I've heard mentioned specifically. I'm sure there's more.

Foul reporting area. Walk-and-talk vs stationary reporting.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Several that Im aware of...two hand reporting for fouls (college). Arm and hammer (college) on a foul instead of straight up with fist. Open palm for EVERY out of bounds (or any whistle other than foul). Fingers out to side at C when administring fouls. Those are the ones I've heard mentioned specifically. I'm sure there's more.

OK, I did not recall anyone was talking about two hand reporting. I thought we were talking about arm position on "counting the basket?"

Women's college goes table side on foul switching, are we going to consider doing that a college mechanic too (actually where it came from BTW)?

What if someone is a college quite (Men's) a bit and they forget to go opposite table like they are used to doing, are they operating college mechanics too? BTW that happened to me on Saturday and we filled in when it happened. We laughed about it in the locker room.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What if someone is a college quite (Men's) a bit and they forget to go opposite table like they are used to doing, are they operating college mechanics too?

Yes, if they do it "every time."

It's much the same as the IHSA emphasis on "preliminary signal at the spot of the foul on every foul."

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Yes, if they do it "every time."

It's much the same as the IHSA emphasis on "preliminary signal at the spot of the foul on every foul."

If an official did not use a preliminary signal, it has nothing to do with college ball or at least the college ball I work. In the CCA Men's Manual we are instructed to give a preliminary signal at the spot of the foul. And most college games I see there is a preliminary signal given on practically every foul. If anything that is probably a Women's college thing or what goes on in the NBA. I think people who do not know think if you don't use a preliminary signal like they assume with other things there is some college mechanic that applies to what they see and it does not at least when it applies to the one you see on TV all the time.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If an official did not use a preliminary signal, it has nothing to do with college ball or at least the college ball I work. In the CCA Men's Manual we are instructed to give a preliminary signal at the spot of the foul. And most college games I see there is a preliminary signal given on practically every foul. If anything that is probably a Women's college thing or what goes on in the NBA. I think people who do not know think if you don't use a preliminary signal like they assume with other things there is some college mechanic that applies to what they see and it does not at least when it applies to the one you see on TV all the time.

Peace

Really? In college games you give a hold signal or a push signal on a shooting foul as the L? You'd be the first college official I'd ever seen do that.

I'm a Badger season ticket holder and the only preliminary signals I ever see are for blocks or PC fouls.

[JRutledge]

I also went and looked at the CCA Men's Mechanics for example and almost every signal that both the NF or CCA Men's shares is exactly the same. Of course the CCA has more signals, but the signals are almost the same. So I would ask those in any state that insisted that these were "college mechanics" to show where do they have evidence of that. Now maybe Women's basketball shows some different signals in style, but they also look practically the same. The difference in all of the descriptions are the fact the animation is drawn differently. The NF has a cartoon, the CCA uses a Man and a Woman, which my understanding were created by NASO.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also went and looked at the CCA Men's Mechanics for example and almost every signal that both the NF or CCA Men's shares is exactly the same. Of course the CCA has more signals, but the signals are almost the same. So I would ask those in any state that insisted that these were "college mechanics" to show where do they have evidence of that. Now maybe Women's basketball shows some different signals in style, but they also look practically the same. The difference in all of the descriptions are the fact the animation is drawn differently. The NF has a cartoon, the CCA uses a Man and a Woman, which my understanding were created by NASO.

Peace

Perhaps the better description is not that they are college mechanics necessarily but they are not approved mechanics at all (but are often seen and accepted in college games).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Perhaps the better description is not that they are college mechanics necessarily but they are not approved mechanics at all (but are often seen and accepted in college games).

I do not even think it is about approval. I think not everyone is a robot, just like if you watch a dance competition you will see different styles or techniques used by different dancers. That is why it is perplexing when people assume something like how you count a basket if not done the way it was suggested is a "college mechanic." It seems like it is more about style than something approved or disapproved.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In my experience, deviating slightly is not nearly as bad as using college mechanics. One of our very best has been passed over repeatedly and told point blank he'll never advance to the state tourney as long as he uses college mechanics. Sad and silly...but thats the way it is.

Not sad at all. He's clearly been told what is expected of him and he choose to not do it. That is on him. I'm sure that those that have been chosen in his place are just as good AND follow the instructions of those doing the hiring. I have no sympathy for someone who refuses to do the job as requested and gets passed over.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Not sad at all. He's clearly been told what is expected of him and he choose to not do it. That is on him. I'm sure that those that have been chosen in his place are just as good AND follow the instructions of those doing the hiring. I have no sympathy for someone who refuses to do the job as requested and gets passed over.

What's sad is that the state we live in is SO rigid that they are intentionally passing over an outstanding young official because of minor mechanics differences. He's tried to revert to satisfy them but in the heat of battle, he defaults to the highest level and most frequent set that he knows. I've heard this from other assn's around the state as well.