Faking being fouled ...

[ref3808]

And the other interesting comment from the coach ... "you guys should be rewarding kids who try to draw the call". Really coach?

[Adam]

Wow, coaches can be such tools.

This week, 8G girls, the T that should have been.

Midway through first quarter, V1 thinks she got fouled and delays playing defense long enough to stop and yell that she got held. There was a dead ball right afterwards that gave me a chance to talk to her. Her coach had just called her over, so I walked over and told her "I can't have you behaving like that."

Coach, "Well, they are hand checking and reaching."

I doubt I'll warn if I have that team again.

[icallfouls]

OK, here's one way you might want to consider before going to the TF. I do have a question.

Are you saying that every time players did this there was no contact, or is that just the specific play?

Without being there to see it, this is the kind of play I think you are describing. Player was anticipating contact by the offense and started to brace for it, then starts falling down. Offense pulls up without contact, shoots and scores. Perhaps the plays are similar?

At any rate, no call. Kid took himself out of the play and gave up points.

If you don't like the flopping action (no to and thru contact), then call a block. Go to a captain if the coach wont help, and state something along the lines of, "tell your guys to stand in and earn the call, next time there is a flop, we'll have a block."

[Adam]

Some like the block call here, I don't like it; mainly because it's completely contrary to the rule. A foul with no contact, or a block foul by a defender who is simply falling backwards (which is allowed by rule).

If you're sure enough to break the rules to call the block, why not use the rules we have?

Just my opinion, and I know that in some areas this is the expected call. I just can't do it.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some like the block call here, I don't like it; mainly because it's completely contrary to the rule. A foul with no contact, or a block foul by a defender who is simply falling backwards (which is allowed by rule).

If you're sure enough to break the rules to call the block, why not use the rules we have?

Just my opinion, and I know that in some areas this is the expected call. I just can't do it.

Well said, Snaq. I agree.

[Loudwhistle2]

I warn first, never had to make that call yet.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some like the block call here, I don't like it

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow, coaches can be such tools.

+2

I'm with ya Snaqs!

[Welpe]

I worked a game today where the defender got
Position but then fell away early. I saw it perfectly from lead and had no call because there was no contact. My parter whistles it from the back court (we were in transition) as a block.

His reason was that we need to protect the shooter. I was not happy but he was the veteran varsity official so I kept my mouth shut.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some like the block call here, I don't like it; mainly because it's completely contrary to the rule. ....

If you're sure enough to break the rules to call the block, why not use the rules we have?

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

How do you call a block when there's no contact?

Fully agree with everything above. If someone is flopping, I can certainly see speaking with them once. (I've done that.) After that, call the T. Flopping is unsportsmanlike (and a little insulting), period. Calling a block on a flop is avoiding the issue altogether, and I don't see it as much of a deterrent.

I'm not sure I'd even speak with the coach about it, for reasons the OP mentioned. Any coach with flopping players is only going to be indignant or falsely agreeable if you bring it up. Just deal with the source, I say, and be 100% sure that the player is flopping. Being quite certain isn't enough.

[ga314ref]

"22, stop flopping."

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

"22, stop flopping."

I like visiting with that player. However, I might tell the player and the coach, "I'll give you the charge if there is contact, otherwise it's a technical if you are intentionally flopping."

I think this sets the right expectation with the coach and player.

[icallfouls]

While my initial post may not have stated it, you misunderstood my meaning. So I take the responsibility for that.

Not my deal to just make up stuff that isn't there.

My meaning was along the lines of slight contact, not no contact.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Flopping is unsportsmanlike (and a little insulting), period.

And it could be dangerous too.

[Ignats75]

I had this in a BJV game last week except the OTHER coach WANTED the T. V1 flopped on two consecutive trips down the floor only to give up put backs. I told the home HC loudly enough for V1 to hear, "he didn't flop. he's just so uncoordinated, he tripped over the foul line." Home coach was a tool all night, starting at the opening jump. His team was up by 20 and won by 40 and he full court pressed for 28 minutes. He wanted every contact called and his team was bigger and stronger. I thought I was doing an LeBron James game again. (Now thats a flashback as bad as anything LSD could give me.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Just deal with the source, I say, and be 100% sure that the player is flopping. Being quite certain isn't enough.

I'll talk to the player when I get a chance, but if two or more players from the team do it, I'll talk to the coach instead.

Friday night I had a player do it in traffic; I just told him to get up, but would have called him for a foul if he had affected an opponent while on the floor.