OSU/AZ skirmish

[Raymond]

Perfect example of why we have taunting rules.



Only video I've found but easy to see what started it.

[Indianaref]

What did the officials rule? Reviewable? I have white 21 with the Tech.(Flagrant 1, I believe) Not sure I would penalize Red 1.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

What did the officials rule? Reviewable? I have white 21 with the Tech.(Flagrant 1, I believe) Not sure I would penalize Red 1.

This is what the game recap on Yahoo says:

While celebrating the basket with the fans, Fogg turned to Arizona’s bench and howled, bumping into Oregon State’s Jared Cunningham in the process.

Cunningham shoved Fogg, players from both teams started pushing and jawing, and Miller came out onto the court shoving his players back to the bench.

Once the officials reviewed video of the incident, Arizona’s Kyryl Natyazhko and Oregon State’s Joe Burton were ejected for leaving the bench. Fogg fouled out after being hit with a technical foul and Cunningham was gone after getting personal and technical fouls.

So White 21 got a T and it was his 5th. Red 1 got the personal foul then a T for his 4th/5th, and they ejected a player from each team for leaving the bench. Looks about right to me. If the NCAA rule for leaving the bench area is as strict as the NBA rule, they probably could have gotten more Arizona players. Why should Red 1 not be penalized? He shoved White 1 in the chest with two hands.

Interesting that it says Fogg was "howling" toward his bench. Sure looked like a direct taunt to me. I don't think the shoulder bump was as incidental as they make it out to be.

Arizona outlasts Oregon State 81-73 in overtime - College Basketball - Rivals.com

[Indianaref]

Shoulder bump was definitely not incidental! You are correct, you have to penalize Red 1, after looking at it again, it was a two handed shove.

[Eastshire]

It looks to me like Red 1 delivers a forearm into White 21's chest rather than shoves him (at least with the left, he also appears to shove with the right but I can't tell if it's open or closed handed). I don't think this particular instance amounts to fighting but is there a point where you would consider a blow with the forearm the same as a punch?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

... I don't think this particular instance amounts to fighting but is there a point where you would consider a blow with the forearm the same as a punch?

If it led to punches being thrown, then the forearm shove would be considered part of the fight and subject to the same punishment as a punch.

Otherwise I have it as a Class A intentional contact technical.

[VaTerp]

The regular TV angle they showed on the ESPN highlights makes it even more clear that the bump was not incidental.

My first thoughts were the exact same:

This is why we have taunting rules and why personally I don't hesitate to call them. I've had 3 this year already and probably should have had another.

ETA- That AP writer is a joke. "While celebrating the basket with the fans, Fogg turned to Arizona’s bench and howled, bumping into Oregon State’s Jared Cunningham in the process." Complete BS. That was taunting, plain and simple.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

This is why we have taunting rules and why personally I don't hesitate to call them. I've had 3 this year already and probably should have had another.

ETA- That AP writer is a joke. "While celebrating the basket with the fans, Fogg turned to Arizona’s bench and howled, bumping into Oregon State’s Jared Cunningham in the process." Complete BS. That was taunting, plain and simple.

+1 Not going to have a fight in my game if I can help it. My same thoughts on the article.

[gdudik]

What I'm confused about is why white 33 isn't receiving a tech. Red 12 stepped in and seemed to more or less cool things down, and then 33 comes charging in out of nowhere and starts a fight.