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Smitty Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:21am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812596)
Very well, then. Am I to understand that you believe you have to "feel" what's an order and what isn't?

C'mon - really? You're sounding OOO...

bainsey Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:31am

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 812597)
Good grief...it's not an order.

:eek:

Wow, did you read the sentence?

rockyroad Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:33am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812602)
:eek:

Wow, did you read the sentence?

Yep...did you read it with the understanding that it's from a HS kid who is getting thumped in a game? He's whining...get over it.

Rich Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:35am

It wouldn't get more than a little chuckle from me. And I'm certainly not shy about serving tea when necessary.

Adam Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:39am

At most, it's a request.

mbyron Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:03pm

I wouldn't T up the kid till after I'd told the coach to control his bench. That calls the coach's attention to the misbehavior and affords him the opportunity to deal with it.

Doesn't work in every case: sometimes they're so far over the line you have to address it immediately. But in this case, if it's becoming a problem, that's how I would start.

just another ref Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:05pm

"C'mon ref, lighten up a little." I'd have to hear how it was said, but that doesn't sound like a problem. Could quite possibly even be said in a friendly manner.
But a kid repeatedly yelling for any call from the bench is not acceptable, in my opinion. If he sees something and spontaneously yells it (e.g. That's a foul!) I can live with that. The kid in my situation was repeatedly yelling for the 3 second call, and laughing about it. Coach had opportunity to stop it. He didn't, so I did.

bainsey Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 812603)
Yep...did you read it with the understanding that it's from a HS kid who is getting thumped in a game?

And that's relevant, how?

It's more than fine to be compassionate, but that doesn't allow players to break the rules in the process. Perhaps this is acceptable behavior in your corner of Rome, but here, authority is expected to be respected.

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Originally Posted by RIchMSN
It wouldn't get more than a little chuckle from me.

I'd chuckle, too, quite frankly. That still doesn't make it legal.

We don't use a technical foul because we're offended. (I might never use them otherwise.) We use them because to keep behavior in check, whether that behavior bugs us or not.

rockyroad Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:23pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812638)
And that's relevant, how?

It's more than fine to be compassionate, but that doesn't allow players to break the rules in the process. Perhaps this is acceptable behavior in your corner of Rome, but here, authority is expected to be respected.



I'd chuckle, too, quite frankly. That still doesn't make it legal.

We don't use a technical foul because we're offended. (I might never use them otherwise.) We use them because to keep behavior in check, whether that behavior bugs us or not.

And you honestly believe that that comment is behavior that needs to be kept in check??

Like someone else already said - OOO.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:30pm

I'm reminded of the phrase that begins with "When your only tool is a hammer...."

Rich Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:34pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 812664)
I'm reminded of the phrase that begins with "When your only tool is a hammer...."

..."everything looks like a nail?"

bainsey Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 812650)
And you honestly believe that that comment is behavior that needs to be kept in check??

Like someone else already said - OOO.

Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

Adam Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812669)
Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

You know as well as anyone that communication is more than words. Context matters. Tone matters. Experience helps us determine those things.

Calling this comment an "order" simplisticly dismisses the other 90% of communication.

Smitty Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812669)
Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

Doesn't the fact that the vast majority of those responding to this see it the same way as Rockyroad does say anything at all to you? You're sounding very "fiasco-ish". And I mean inexperienced...

rockyroad Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:49pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 812669)
Rock,

Your argument is based significantly more on emotion than it is on facts. If you can't have this discussion logically, I don't see the point of it continuing.

And I have no idea what you are talking about. What emotion?

You said you would call a T on a kid for a comment that several others have said would not even register with them. I disagreed with giving a T. So that makes this an emotional discussion?

Guess I understand now why you would T that kid.


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