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bainsey Thu Jan 05, 2012 01:41pm

Passed on a multiple foul
 
JV Boys, two-man crew. I'm the L.

A-1 drives for a layup and is fouled, double whistle. I have a holding foul on B-2; my partner has a push on B-3.

I consider the multiple foul for half a second, but I insist on just going with B-2. My partner agrees (or doesn't disagree, really), and I report the foul.

It was a relatively clean game (15 fouls in total), so I didn't see the point of getting both of them, particulary since the shooter is getting two free throws either way. Thoughts?

mplagrow Thu Jan 05, 2012 01:51pm

Consult. Pick one. Move on.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 05, 2012 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 810801)
I consider the multiple foul for half a second,

Thoughts?

You considered for .5 seconds too long

JugglingReferee Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 810801)
JV Boys, two-man crew. I'm the L.

A-1 drives for a layup and is fouled, double whistle. I have a holding foul on B-2; my partner has a push on B-3.

I consider the multiple foul for half a second, but I insist on just going with B-2. My partner agrees (or doesn't disagree, really), and I report the foul.

It was a relatively clean game (15 fouls in total), so I didn't see the point of getting both of them, particulary since the shooter is getting two free throws either way. Thoughts?

I think it's ok that the "multiple foul" went through your head - it shows that you understand what a multiple is.

Now, that you didn't actually call a multiple foul is even better. Pick one and move on. If the fouls are about the same in severity, pick the first. If they're not the same in severity, pick the more severe one (ruling the other as incidental).

APG Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:15pm

Multiple wouldn't have even crossed my mind...pick one and move on.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 810824)
I think it's ok that the "multiple foul" went through your head - it shows that you understand what a multiple is.

Now, that you didn't actually call a multiple foul is even better. Pick one and move on. If the fouls are about the same in severity, pick the first. If they're not the same in severity, pick the more severe one (ruling the other as incidental).

How about incorporating total player fouls into this mix?

Adam Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 810828)
How about incorporating total player fouls into this mix?

Now you sound like the coach who wants the wrist slap at the top of the key even though his dribbler wasn't affected by it.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:23pm

:D just asking

bainsey Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 810828)
How about incorporating total player fouls into this mix?

By that, do you mean, asking how many fouls each player has? If so, THAT'S a slippery slope.

Adam Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 810841)
By that, do you mean, asking how many fouls each player has? If so, THAT'S a slippery slope.

I think he also meant team fouls.

Raymond Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 810828)
How about incorporating total player fouls into this mix?

How about the primary official just taking the call and moving on?

And we shouldn't even know we had different calls until we are doing our post-game (or halftime) in the locker room.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 810841)
By that, do you mean, asking how many fouls each player has? If so, THAT'S a slippery slope.

Asking? This is something one has to know, at all times!

Raymond Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 810847)
Asking? This is something one has to know, at all times!

I might know if a player or 2 is on their 4th foul but I'm definitely not going to know every player's foul situation.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 810841)
By that, do you mean, asking how many fouls each player has? If so, THAT'S a slippery slope.

If the choice is between assessing the foul to (a) star player who already has 4 and (b) 8th off the bench who has 0, then some would say to choose (b).

In some situations, I agree. OTherwise, I get the first.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 02:35pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 810846)
How about the primary official just taking the call and moving on?

If thats how you want to run your ballgames. In mine the knucklehead gets the foul in multiple situations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 810848)
I might know if a player or 2 is on their 4th foul but I'm definitely not going to know every player's foul situation.

I try to stay cognizant of all the quality players fouls.


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