Blarg

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Almost....charge both and go to point-of-interruption (which may or may not be the AP).

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....Then have a long talk at your earliest opportunity on how to avoid this in the future....A good pre game on primary coverage areas will help this.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....Then have a long talk at your earliest opportunity on how to avoid this in the future....A good pre game on primary coverage areas will help this.

Earliest opportunity for a long talk is the pre-game. After the fact a good official will recognize if his actions are what caused the problem.

AP is not automatic, depends of the status of the ball at the time of the double foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refiator

Yep. Gotta have a double foul and go with the AP....

Not necessarily.

If there's team control, POI, team A keeps the ball.

If there's a shot and the basket is good, POI, Team B gets the ball for throw-in, with the opportunity to run the endline.

[JRutledge]

I had one happen to me about a week or so ago with a fellow poster watching (at least I think he was watching at that time). I hate it when it happens, but it happens to the best of us. I did not see my partner and I signaled. Oh well, life moves on.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hate it when it happens. I did not see my partner and I signaled.

I hate it when, as the lead, I don't hear my partner's whistle, usually due to crowd noise, and figuring that I'm the only caller, immediately come out with a strong player control foul signal, or a strong block signal, only then seeing my partner's fist in the air. So far, in over thirty years, no blarges, but it still scares the hell out of me.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I hate it when, as the lead, I don't hear my partner's whistle, usually due to crowd noise, and figuring that I'm the only caller, immediately come out with a strong player control foul signal, or a strong block signal, only then seeing my partner's fist in the air. So far, in over thirty years, no blarges, but it still scares the hell out of me.

exact thing happened to me last year (first and only time), and Murphy's Law, my commmissioner was watching...pregame, pregame, pregame!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

exact thing happened to me last year (first and only time), and Murphy's Law, my commissioner was watching...pregame, pregame, pregame!

Every single pregame that I participate in, as either the referee, or the umpire, will contain some variation of the following:

On double whistles, let’s both hold our preliminary signal and not give a block or player control signal.
Make eye contact with each other. Give the call to whoever has the primary coverage, most often the
lead official, unless you definitely have something different that happened first, in which case we’ll
talk about it.

Of course, this only works if both of the officials realize that there has been a double whistle.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I hate it when, as the lead, I don't hear my partner's whistle, usually due to crowd noise, and figuring that I'm the only caller, immediately come out with a strong player control foul signal, or a strong block signal, only then seeing my partner's fist in the air. So far, in over thirty years, no blarges, but it still scares the hell out of me.

For whatever reason, it's hard for the L to hold the preliminary. It's much easier for the T/C to hold the preliminary. So, if there's a blarge, I usually "blame" the outside official.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For whatever reason, it's hard for the L to hold the preliminary. It's much easier for the T/C to hold the preliminary. So, if there's a blarge, I usually "blame" the outside official.

Yup. Most pre-games around here involve discussion on the T/C holding off on giving a prelimiary.

Not sure of the reason either but I know it just feels natural to come out with a strong prelim as the L.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

For whatever reason, it's hard for the L to hold the preliminary. It's much easier for the T/C to hold the preliminary. So, if there's a blarge, I usually "blame" the outside official.

So very true..........

[refiator]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Not necessarily.

If there's team control, POI, team A keeps the ball.

If there's a shot and the basket is good, POI, Team B gets the ball for throw-in, with the opportunity to run the endline.

True. I did not consider those scenarios. Thanks.

[bainsey]

I've had one blarge this year. I was the lead and had a block. My partner was the trail and a had a charge.

We had a double whistle and fists up, but neither made the next signal. We had eye contact, so we approached each other to talk about it.

I thought it was an easy block, but my partner told me the dribbler had an outstretched limb, which made the initial contact. In this case, we opted not to go with the double foul, and my partner reported the PC foul. (It made for an interesting moment, as the kids starting to line up at the lane while we were discussing.)

Simply put, talk about it first. If you still insist that you're call is right, and your partner sees it differently, the only choice is a double foul. However, it helps to communicate first.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I've had one blarge this year. I was the lead and had a block. My partner was the trail and a had a charge.

We had a double whistle and fists up, but did not make an initial signal. We had eye contact, so we approached each other to talk about it.

I thought it was an easy block, but my partner told me the dribbler had an outstretched limb, which made the initial contact. In this case, we opted not to go with the double foul, and my partner reported the PC foul. (It made for an interesting moment, as the kids starting to line up at the lane while we were discussing.)

Simply put, talk about it first. If you still insist that you're call is right, and your partner sees it differently, the only choice is a double foul. However, it helps to communicate first.

That's not a blarge. That's a double whistle.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's not a blarge. That's a double whistle.

Fair enough. And you call me picky.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Fair enough. And you call me picky.

Yeah, sorry about that. You're ability to withhold the prelims saved you from having to go DF.