Men's Basketball proposals?

[wizard]

Originally posted by RecRef
Ok, since we are all going into an “I wish mode,” here is mine. Has anyone given consideration to raising the height of the baskets for both college and the NBA? Make the NCAA basket 11’6” or 12’ and the NBA 13’. This would take a good part of the reason for camping in the lane away.

I've always said with the NBA - the ball is too small, the floor's too small, the basket's too low.

These suggestions sounds ridiculous. But until attendance drops, things won't change. In fact, the "3, 2, 1" scoring proposed by Nevadaref is interesting. Consider what the game would be if it were implemeted. My guess is 3 guard offenses would be the way to go. And the block/charge call would happen half as much. But there would be a lot of "discussion" about "Was that a 2 or a 1?"

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by wizard

...In fact, the "3, 2, 1" scoring proposed by Nevadaref is interesting. Consider what the game would be if it were implemeted....

I'm thinking "boring" about covers it. Constant rain of long range jumpers clanging off the iron resulting in a kickout or fast break 3 pt shot attempt clanging off the iron resulting in...

[ausref23]

Speaking of wish mode - I'd like to see you guys in the USA play on a FIBA court, trapazoidal lane and all - just like it like to see FIBA adopt 3PO for international fixtures & other high level games.

I'll keep singing that Supertramp song: dreamer, nothin' but a dreamer...

[wizard]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
I'm thinking "boring" about covers it. [/B]

I didn't say I would want it. I think it would be interesting at how the game would be different. Too many jump shot and too little post play would get old. IMHO, the amount of contact that is allowed today as opposed to say 20, 25 and 30 years ago is hurting the game.

[ausref23]

Originally posted by mick
Proposals intended to curb rough play - By Malcolm Moran, USA TODAY

College basketball's continuing emphasis on limiting rough play, and its occasionally frustrating search for a solution, soon could lead to the most significant change to the court in 47 years.
The proposed implementation of a trapezoidal lane, similar to the one used in the international game was announced Monday. It is intended to reinforce instructions given to officials in recent seasons. Now, rather than having to sort out the complex decision of which inside player might be gaining an advantage, an official could reduce traffic near the basket by counting to three.

By extending the area for three-second violations by almost 4 feet on each side at the baseline, and adding about 9 inches to the current 19-foot, 9-inch distance for a three-point shot, the NCAA men's basketball rules committee recommended relieving the game of its congestion problems.

At its widest point, the lane would be a little more than 19 feet, 8 inches across. The current width of 12 feet was established when the lane was doubled in width for the 1956-57 season.

"The lane is a huge difference," says New Mexico coach Ritchie McKay, an assistant on the gold medal-winning U.S. team at the 1997 University Games.

"Now you're going to just need more skill level on offense. You can't just drop it in the post. A lot might depend on how the refs administer the three-second rule. Is it a genuine three seconds or will they give you 3.5?"

The extension of the three-point line is not expected to result in a major statistical shift. According to NCAA figures, experimental games using the new distance last season resulted in an average of 18 three-point attempts, compared to 17.4 in a sample of games using the 19-9 line. In both cases, teams shot 34% on three-pointers.

But the new line would end the perception that the shot is too simple for the college level, a view held since the introduction of the rule for the 1986-87 season. A slightly more difficult three-point shot, combined with the new lane, would provide officials with help in eliminating collisions.

"We put in the point of emphasis to clean up rough play," says Notre Dame coach Mike Brey, "and sometimes I think we put too much on the officials to do that. It's tough to do, especially over the grind of a long season. I think we have to help the officials."

Don DeVoe, who has coached Virginia Tech, Tennessee and Navy to NCAA tournament appearances, feels the proposal is linked to the sixth-place finish at the 2002 World Championships by a U.S. team made up exclusively of NBA players.

"I think a lot of this is obviously for our teams to perform better in international competition," DeVoe says. "We haven't done as well in recent years, and it has to do with our guys not being as comfortable on the floor as other countries."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...-changes_x.htm

In Australia we use FIBA rules & court sizes, I have be privileged to be able to officiate a few touring HS & college sides. The players line themselves up in the post as always and find themselves way inside the paint. As an official, you make a few 3sec calls then politely suggest they look at the paint!

Its interesting to note that rough play is continually a point of emphisis all around the world, trapazoidal lane or not!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by wizard

Maybe because Jack Nickolson, Dyan Cannon, every Hollywood star, not to mention the networks who paid big bucks to broadcast games from coast to coast want to see the stars on the floor. I'm not saying this is right, it's just what I see.

But I agree with you, WCR. Take the physicality out of the game and skills will return. When players are allowed to beat the crap out of each other it's boring to watch. It isn't until the finals does the NBA get enjoyable to watch. I'll turn on the tube in about a month!!!

However, if the decision to TRULY clean this stuff up came down from the top and the league backed the refs, it'd be cleaned up pretty quickly. It would only take a few games before the pressure was on to stay in the game. The meal tickets would adjust, and the game would go on. Those without the talent would retire.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally posted by WindyCityRef
Oh wow, that would be a mess. Men and Women using differnt floors. The smaller schools would be hurting the most.

I see games on TV quite often that have an NBA width lane and college width lane painted on the same floor. What would be so difficult about painting both the trapezoidal and rectangular lanes on the same floor.

We have the technology; we can rebuild him...

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
What would be so difficult about painting both the trapezoidal and rectangular lanes on the same floor.

That was also my thought, BITS

[NICK]

hey ausref, 3 man officiating is allowed under FIBA rules, see rule 3. They use it in aussie and NZ NBL

[ausref23]

Originally posted by NICK
hey ausref, 3 man officiating is allowed under FIBA rules, see rule 3. They use it in aussie and NZ NBL

You are quite correct about Aus & NZ, we even use 3PO in Aus for our NWBL (national wheelchair basketball league). FIBA however, do not, even though they changed the rules to allow it. At the last world championships they could have used 3PO but instead rostered 3 officials running 2PO on the game with a stand-by official (remember those world championships - USA lost! - what an uproar).

So FIBA's position on 3PO at present is that they will allow 3PO but let the competition organisers dictate whether it is used. What I am wishing for is for FIBA to adopt it and put it into place for all international competitions (starting with the men's - sorry ladies, no offense mean't) and maybe even euroleague! The FIBA committee will decide on other changes ie adopting the alternating posession rule, a smaller ball for women, changing the shot clock rule so we don't have to stop the game if the shot clock expires after the ball's left the hand and the ball strikes the rim etc, to make FIBA a bit more like NCAA in October this year.

Slowly the wheels turn!