Have any of you ever called...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Nobody here will like this, but the bottom line is, if you are right, you can do anything you want. If you are right, even if you run your partner over, you are still right. Top officials never want to be in those situations, and they are exceptionally rare, but if they have the ability and constitution to make those calls and be 100% correct, that makes them great. Perhaps unpopular for a period of time, but great. The flip side is, the risks in doing so are enormous, and we all beileve in virtually every call we make--until we see the film.

The risks are too great. No way I'm even going to have a count. Anyone who makes this call, even if it was right, is driving a bus. You've told everyone who knows anything at all about basketball that you think your partner isn't ready for this game. You've also told them that you, in fact, are the one over his head.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The risks are too great. No way I'm even going to have a count. Anyone who makes this call, even if it was right, is driving a bus. You've told everyone who knows anything at all about basketball that you think your partner isn't ready for this game. You've also told them that you, in fact, are the one over his head.

If a player is clearly standing OOB with the ball for a throwin for 10 seconds with no call from your partner, your partner has already told everyone they've spaced out. Not stopping it at some point tells them you have too. How long would you stand by and act like you had no idea with everyone in the gym knowing it was grossly wrong?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If a player is clearly standing OOB with the ball for a throwin for 10 seconds with no call from your partner, your partner has already told everyone they've spaced out. Not stopping it at some point tells them you have too. How long would you stand by and act like you had no idea with everyone in the gym knowing it was grossly wrong?

It's a hypothetical that has little chance of happening and illustrates well the slippery slope we can be on. Where's the threshold -- 5 seconds? 7 seconds? How about the travel in the Duke video just posted?

Playing along -- I would probably stop the game and have a conversation with my partner. But it would be a long time after 5 seconds.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Playing along -- I would probably stop the game and have a conversation with my partner. But it would be a long time after 5 seconds.

Agreed.

My first instinct, after 12-15 seconds or so, would be to look down at the end line to see if my partner is okay. If so, I'd give it another five seconds or so before blowing the whistle and checking with him.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

It's a hypothetical that has little chance of happening and illustrates well the slippery slope we can be on. Where's the threshold -- 5 seconds? 7 seconds? How about the travel in the Duke video just posted?

Playing along -- I would probably stop the game and have a conversation with my partner. But it would be a long time after 5 seconds.

Thank you....And, again, I meant in no way to suggest your partner in the OP was anywhere near right.

The approach that you suggest is what I was getting at....at SOME point, you can't just ignore it and leave it on your partner.

And as for the the Duke video, probably not. It wouldn't be something I'd pick up from Lead. I wouldn't be looking for it and it is not something you can know without looking for it.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The risks are too great. No way I'm even going to have a count. Anyone who makes this call, even if it was right, is driving a bus. You've told everyone who knows anything at all about basketball that you think your partner isn't ready for this game. You've also told them that you, in fact, are the one over his head.

I was talking about generalities...counts on inbounds plays would not even enter the discussion, IMO.

[BayStateRef]

I was at a college tryout camp this summer when the T and C were the only two people in the gym not to see a travel about three steps over the division line. When the clinician brought us together, I said I had seen it from the lead, but there was no way I would ever call that...particularly when I am being evaluated.

The clinician agreed it was not usually a good call from that far, but it was so obvious that he felt I should have come in late...but really strong and made the proper call. Even with that advice, I don't think I can do it.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

The clinician agreed it was not usually a good call from that far, but it was so obvious that he felt I should have come in late...but really strong and made the proper call.

If he felt that stronly about it, he should have made the call!