Is he really a drunk?

[zebraman]

As an earlier poster said, "what law did he break?" What's the drinking age in Iowa? Was he "contributing to the delinquency of a minor?"

Z

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by zebraman
As an earlier poster said, "what law did he break?" What's the drinking age in Iowa? Was he "contributing to the delinquency of a minor?"

People are fired everyday for conduct that does not include breaking a law.

[Hawks Coach]

Just got this in an email. Don't know if it sheds light on things, but it seemed on topic.

THINGS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
Indubitably
Innovative
Preliminary
Proliferation
Cinnamon

THINGS THAT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
Specificity
British Constitution
Passive-aggressive disorder
Loquacious Transubstantiate

THINGS THAT ARE DOWNRIGHT IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY WHEN YOU'RE DRUNK:
Thanks, but I don't want to have sex
Nope, no more booze for me
Sorry, but you're not really my type
Good evening officer, isn't it lovely out tonight
Oh, I just couldn't. No one wants to hear me sing
Sorry I'm being such a jackass

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by BktBallRef


Hmmm...really? When and where? The first I heard of him admitting it was Tuesday, after the athletic dept.'s attorney told his attorney the AD had recommended he be fired. Has he been seeking treatment for the last month?

Actually Tony, he admitted it for the first time to the media in his press conference. Supposable he had said this to others long before this situation arouse. But I will say this, this came out in January, why is this an issue now? It should have been an issue then. I guess it is a slow news cycle.

Peace

[Junker]

As far as recruiting, I'm sure it will hurt him (whether he gets to stay at ISU or not) but there was an article in the paper Wednesday about 2 good (but then they all are before you see them play, aren't they?) recruits signing so evidently they still wanted to play for him (unless they live in a cave and didn't see the "breaking" news that was actually 4 months old). I just wish he could pull a Roy Williams and have the AD fired. The current AD has made no bones about wanted to build ISU into a football school and it's been obvious that's where he puts the money.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
People are fired everyday for conduct that does not include breaking a law.

I agree Tony. But how many professors over time have boinked their students? This guy is seen at a party drinking and smooching a co-ed on the cheek and the A.D. recommends firing him? Seems like an issue between the coach and his wife to me.... not the A.D. Either that, or we need to do some serious house-cleaning of professors at my alma mater. :-)

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by zebraman

I agree Tony. But how many professors over time have boinked their students? This guy is seen at a party drinking and smooching a co-ed on the cheek and the A.D. recommends firing him? Seems like an issue between the coach and his wife to me.... not the A.D. Either that, or we need to do some serious house-cleaning of professors at my alma mater. :-)

Z

What you just said professors have done with students is a clear violation of ethical and standards at most universities. It would violate sexual harrasment laws and university laws at the same time. But that is not apparantly the case here. He is not being accused of sleeping with anyone. As a matter of fact, taking the pictures was not morally wrong either. He was not touching these girls inappropriatly or even violating his marriage committment. It seems like everyone in the picture was participating willingly and the fact that he is a Head Basketball Coach is the only thing that makes this an issue.

Now he did have bad judgement by putting himself in a bad position or giving the wrong impression. But I could see where the alchohol would impair the judgement of someone under the influence of a substance. One of the reasons I do not drink hardly at all.

Peace

[fletch_irwin_m]

Originally posted by zebraman

I agree Tony. But how many professors over time have boinked their students? This guy is seen at a party drinking and smooching a co-ed on the cheek and the A.D. recommends firing him? Seems like an issue between the coach and his wife to me.... not the A.D. Either that, or we need to do some serious house-cleaning of professors at my alma mater. :-)

Z

Z as an educator at an institution of higher learning, I can tell you that even a HINT of this type of Professor/Student relationship would constitute suspension until the matter is resolved and if proven, immediate dismissal, tenure or not. I am not sure of your Alma Mater's policy, but the places I have been (Midwest and Southeast) make no bones about it. A picture like that would be devestating on any career here.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by fletch_irwin_m

A picture like that would be devestating on any career here.

More devastating than spelling deficiencies? :-) I'm with Rut on this one. The Iowa coach was at a party with adults (young ones, but adults) doing nothing illegal or immoral (although his wife may take exception to his "friendly" smooches on hotties). What's the issue?

Z

[Hawks Coach]

Originally posted by zebraman

More devastating than spelling deficiencies? :-) I'm with Rut on this one. The Iowa coach was at a party with adults (young ones, but adults) doing nothing illegal or immoral (although his wife may take exception to his "friendly" smooches on hotties). What's the issue?

Z

Please, please keep one thing in mind. Basketball coaches are not fired for illegal and immoral conduct in most cases. Losing basketball games is neither, yet is cause for firing.

Eustachy is a visible public representative of the institution. The standard is higher for him, as is the salary. Those pictures make him look like a lush and the university he represents look like goofs. I think that the alcoholism angle, especially if he is addressing may merit special consideration, but embarrassing the program can get you fired, as can many other legal acts.

[BktBallRef]

There are also other problems within the program. Dan Patrick was listing them today on his afternoon radio show. After a long day at work, I can't remember them all but I beleive an asst. was dismissed, a player was arrested for public drunkeness, etc. Even Patrick stated that just looking at these incidents, it appears to be a program out of control.

I don't have an interest in this so I can speak arbitrarily. I don't know Coach Eustachy or have anything against him. He's a high profile figure, representing the university moreso than anyone else at ISU. He's the highest paid state employee in Iowa, from what I understand. He has a responsibility to conduct in a manner himself that appropriately represents the university. If I'm making the decisions at ISU, he's gone.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by JRutledge

Actually Tony, he admitted it for the first time to the media in his press conference.

That was my understanding as well. That's why I questioned where this "he admitted over a month ago that he's got alcoholism" story came from.

[BktBallRef]

Some of the other problems that I couldn't remember before.

"Larry Eustachy, already suspended by Iowa State for his behavior at late-night parties, was suspended for one game by the NCAA on Friday for a secondary rules violation. The NCAA found Iowa State guilty because Eustachy twice paid players for making free throws.


Also Friday, assistant coach Steve Barnes denied using threats or intimidation to rally support for Eustachy. Barnes was suspended with pay Thursday for making what the university said were threatening remarks against school and athletic officials in a telephone call to a player's parents.

Another assistant, Randy Brown, is facing federal child pornography charges and is to be tried June 2. Brown has been on leave since Jan. 29."


http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2003/0502/1548303.html

[Dan_ref]

I saw an cute tidbit in the paper this morning. Seems a Iowa minor league baseball team was going to have a Larry Eustachy night. Cheap beer & kissing booths. They decided not to do it.

[sj]

I am an Iowa State graduate but never cared much for Eustachey. Primarily because of the way he acts with refs. Funny how you become a ref and you even think your own Alma Maters coach is a nut. Also he didn't go to the National Champinoship game with his players. Marcus Pfizer was a Tim Floyd recruit. (By the way I still say the Michigan State Iowa State game from 1999 ? was that years Natioanl Championship game. I though he was probably going to do something on the court someday that would make him as famous as Bobby Knight. I also grew up playing basketball and golf against Randy Brown, the assistant whos in trouble. So i knew him pretty well. He was from a town about 20 miles from where I grew up.