Illegal Substitute?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

She's still a player during the timeout.

Now if this happened during an intermission, she would then be considered bench personnel. Would that make a difference, especially if she were substituted for during the timeout?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Because of the foul, no.

[jkumpire]

Isn't the real problem the fact that there is only 10 minutes between the end of the JV game and the start of the Varsity game?

Where is game management in all this? Only allowing 10 minutes to get ready for a HS Varsity contest? If I was one of the two officials involved I would have talked to someone about this, be it local game management before the start or the state association after the contest. This is unfair to the players and everyone else involved.

what could the crew do in this case to try and change the timing of the pre-game warmup?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Isn't the real problem the fact that there is only 10 minutes between the end of the JV game and the start of the Varsity game?

10 minutes is plenty of time, in my opinion. But if there are only 10 minutes, it makes the rules regarding the book inapplicable.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Isn't the real problem the fact that there is only 10 minutes between the end of the JV game and the start of the Varsity game?

Where is game management in all this? Only allowing 10 minutes to get ready for a HS Varsity contest? If I was one of the two officials involved I would have talked to someone about this, be it local game management before the start or the state association after the contest. This is unfair to the players and everyone else involved.

what could the crew do in this case to try and change the timing of the pre-game warmup?

Many schools have an auxillary gym where the varsity teams can warm up during the JV game. If that is the case, then 10 minutes on the game court prior to starting play is plenty of time and presents no risk of injury to the student-athletes.
If the teams are starting out cold without the benefit of some place to warm-up and you feel that 10 minutes is not enough time, simply consult both coaches on how much time each team needs and give them that. Don't risk an injury to a kid because someone is in a hurry.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jkumpire

Isn't the real problem the fact that there is only 10 minutes between the end of the JV game and the start of the Varsity game?

Where is game management in all this? Only allowing 10 minutes to get ready for a HS Varsity contest? If I was one of the two officials involved I would have talked to someone about this, be it local game management before the start or the state association after the contest. This is unfair to the players and everyone else involved.

what could the crew do in this case to try and change the timing of the pre-game warmup?

Good one, but you forgot the sarcasm tags.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Good one, but you forgot the sarcasm tags.

Really. I would be thrilled beyond belief if we only had 10 minutes. In Wisconsin, it's 20 l-o-n-g minutes and we have to stand out there for all of it.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Now if this happened during an intermission, she would then be considered bench personnel. Would that make a difference, especially if she were substituted for during the timeout?

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Because of the foul, no.

Why does the foul, or lack of, have anything to do with it? In order to penalize this infraction, the offending team member must be one of the five players currently in the game. It's an intermisson, not a timeout. She's bench personnel. Nobody is one of the five players currently in the game. I'm not sure that I disagree with you, it's just that I think that this needs further discussion.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why does the foul, or lack of, have anything to do with it? In order to penalize this infraction, the offending team member must be one of the five players currently in the game. It's an intermisson, not a timeout. She's bench personnel. Nobody is one of the five players currently in the game. I'm not sure that I disagree with you, it's just that I think that this needs further discussion.

If the foul is to be recorded, there will be a change needed to be made in the book unless the scorer is that far gone or duplicitous. So if scorers add the name after the player is now BP, but dont assess the T...do we now have a delayed T for if the player comes back in the game?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

If the foul is to be recorded, there will be a change needed to be made in the book unless the scorer is that far gone or duplicitous. So if scorers add the name after the player is now BP, but don't assess the T, do we now have a delayed T for if the player comes back in the game?

No technical foul charged. It's too late. The foul must be charged when it occurs and enforced when the ball next becomes live. Once the ball becomes live, after such changes have been made to the scorebook, it is too late to penalize.

And by "it", the NFHS means that the name being written into the scorebook.

If the name had never been added to the scorebook, then there would be a technical foul charged only if, and when, the player re-entered the game. If the player never re-entered the game, there would be no technical foul charged.

Remember, the technical foul is not for the unlisted player playing, it's for the unlisted player's name being added to the scorebook.