Illegal Substitute?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Toren

Case play 3.2.2 situation c

3.2.2 SITUATION C: Team A substitute No. 25 reports to the table for the first
time with approximately one minute remaining in the second quarter and is beckoned
onto the court. In (a), the ball is put in play by a throw-in from A1 to A2.
The horn sounds and the scorer informs the officials that No. 25 is not listed in
the scorebook. In (b), No. 25 plays the remainder of the second quarter. During
halftime intermission, the official scorer realizes No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook
and informs the officials when they return to the court before the start of
the third quarter. RULING: In (a), No. 25 is currently in the game and became a
player when he/she legally entered the court. Since his or her name and number
must now be entered into the scorebook, a technical foul is charged to Team A.
In (b), no penalty is assessed since No. 25 is not currently in the game. If No. 25
attempts to enter the game in the second half, his or her name and number will
be added to the scorebook and a technical foul charged to Team A. (3-2-2b; 10-
1-2b)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

3.2.2 SITUATION C: Team A substitute No. 25 reports to the table for the first
time with approximately one minute remaining in the second quarter and is beckoned
onto the court. In (a), the ball is put in play by a throw-in from A1 to A2.
The horn sounds and the scorer informs the officials that No. 25 is not listed in
the scorebook. In (b), No. 25 plays the remainder of the second quarter. During
halftime intermission, the official scorer realizes No. 25 is not listed in the scorebook
and informs the officials when they return to the court before the start of
the third quarter. RULING: In (a), No. 25 is currently in the game and became a
player when he/she legally entered the court. Since his or her name and number
must now be entered into the scorebook, a technical foul is charged to Team A.
In (b), no penalty is assessed since No. 25 is not currently in the game. If No. 25
attempts to enter the game in the second half, his or her name and number will
be added to the scorebook and a technical foul charged to Team A. (3-2-2b; 10-
1-2b)

This case play is fairly recent and dead wrong in my opinion. Per rule 2-11 the scorer is required to keep a record of all players and substitutes who enter the game. Guess where that record is kept? Yep, the scorebook, so that team member must be entered into the scorebook and a T assessed. The person who authored the ruling to part (b) of the above play ruling for the NFHS doesn't know the darn rules.

[refiator]

Great case play for group discussion. I agree that a "T" must be assessed as he is a player during the TO.

[cmhjordan23]

In our area, if it is a JV and Varsity game, Varsity game is always 20 minutes after the completion of JV game.

[JugglingReferee]

This problem about not having enough time to enter the roster after the JV is so easily solved...........

Tell the school to buy a second scorebook! Scorebooks are cheap and they'll use them anyways. They can buy 1 every year, or 2 every two years.

Most teams are present well before 10 minutes before their tip-off time. They can likely fill out the scoresheet 30 minutes before tip-off!

Problem solved.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This problem about not having enough time to enter the roster after the JV is so easily solved...........

It can alsow be solved by having officials read the rules -- the book is not required to be completed 10-minutes before tip-off.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It can alsow be solved by having officials read the rules -- the book is not required to be completed 10-minutes before tip-off.

I was wondering when someone would point this out.

The other thing to do in this type of situation is to notice if there is a game program with the roster printed in it.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This problem about not having enough time to enter the roster after the JV is so easily solved...........

Tell the school to buy a second scorebook! Scorebooks are cheap and they'll use them anyways. They can buy 1 every year, or 2 every two years.

Most teams are present well before 10 minutes before their tip-off time. They can likely fill out the scoresheet 30 minutes before tip-off!

Problem solved.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It can alsow be solved by having officials read the rules -- the book is not required to be completed 10-minutes before tip-off.

I never said it had to be.

All I mentioned was "a problem".


Everything else about basketball is prepared ahead of time. Why not the scorebook as well?

During the warm-ups, instead of writing players' names, the coaches could be actually be... coaching!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by refiator

I agree that a "T" must be assessed as he is a player during the TO.

Especially since it's a girls game.

[Terrapins Fan]

Nevadaref, I agree with you, but the rule is the rule. It should be changed in my opinion.

Good thread, we are always learning.