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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 03:01pm
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Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk.
"What's right"? Really? This isn't a moral or ethical choice.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 03:23pm
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"What's right"? Really? This isn't a moral or ethical choice.
Correct. This is about facts. Purple uniforms aren't blue.

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You lost me here. We do a lot of things that have nothing to do with what the teams say or do. Our terminology is often very different than what players, coaches and fans use.
A uniform color isn't terminology.

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Believe me, you have. We all have. Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it never existed.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 03:34pm
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Correct. This is about facts. Purple uniforms aren't blue.
Chances are, they aren't purple or orange either, we just pick what our eyes tell us and use a color that's close.

For BNR, it's all black and white.

If you want to feel like you're on some moral high ground by using purple, yellow, orange, royal blue, fuscia, or amnesia, have at it.

But bringing "what others do" or "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge" into the discussion implies a moral or ethical issue, which this is not.

Unless, of course, you think an angel gets his wings every time an official says "purple."
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:14pm
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If you want to feel like you're on some moral high ground by using purple, yellow, orange, royal blue, fuscia, or amnesia, have at it.

But bringing "what others do" or "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge" into the discussion implies a moral or ethical issue, which this is not.
Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

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The reason we use one syllable for colors is a single syllable is easier to pronounce at volume. This makes it easier for all concerned to understand what's going on. Beyond that, many of us can't tell a red from a magenta from a maroon.
Nor can I. Even I can live with "red" under those circumstances.

Anyway, if we can run up and down the court with these kids, we can easily project two syllables.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:19pm
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Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy.
It's a fact that "purple" is more accurate than "blue" (well, assuming the uniforms are purple).

That doesn't make it "right" as you indicated in some previous post.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 04:37pm
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Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
You're the one who brought doing "the right thing" into the discussion. If you're concerned about accuracy, you're free to tackle the windmill as many times as you like.
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What are you going to do if you want to be accurate with the schools colors but the home team's colors are say green and gold but have to wear white when playing at home?

People arent going to worry about what color you use during the game, they might get a bit fussy if you use the wrong color in talking about the school after the game.
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For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
What if a team's color is listed as emerald green? What about if you were working the Texas Longhorns where they list their shade as burnt orange? You gonna be saying that all game long...in the name of accuracy?
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What if a team's color is listed as emerald green? What about if you were working the Texas Longhorns where they list their shade as burnt orange? You gonna be saying that all game long...in the name of accuracy?
You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.

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It's a fact that "purple" is more accurate than "blue" (well, assuming the uniforms are purple).

That doesn't make it "right" as you indicated in some previous post.
I disagree, sir. In fact, accurate and right are synonymous.

The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak. That's fine. We're officials. Since when do we care about others' emotions in pursuit of accuracy?
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:02pm
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You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.
In that case, you're not being accurate.
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[QUOTE=bainsey;804383]You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.


I disagree, sir. In fact, accurate and right are synonymous. [quote]

True in the "correct" sense of "right;" not true in the "morally superior" sense of "right."

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The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak. That's fine. We're officials. Since when do we care about others' emotions in pursuit of accuracy?
You could say "I think it's better to be more accurate than to have on-syllable colors." That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. NCAAW would agree with you. Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it. IT's when you seemed to say that your opinion was the "better" "more ethical "purer" answer that some got a little upset.

For most of us, it's a "do what the assigners want" situation. If they want me to use "light-dark" or "white - colored" or "home-visitor" or "Milford - Tech" I'll do so. Most want me to use "blue - red".
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:59pm
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The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak.
Bullsh1t, you're not getting flak because you're challenging a mechanic, you're getting flak for the following comments:

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Really? Tell that to my son's team.

I know older officials that won't say "purple" or "orange." I don't see what the big deal is to spit out two syllables. Besides, it shows better respect for the team in question. Otherwise, you're just being lazy, IMO.
There's no respect issue here. And calling 99% of high school officials lazy is bound to get you some deserved blow back.

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Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk
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And here is where you leave the impression that you see this as some moral or ethical issue. That's where your argument nuked the fridge, IMO.

I personally don't give a crap what you do, if you can move up in your association while saying "purple," go ahead. Good for you. I don't find "accuracy" here to be important enough to go against the grain. I'm so used to saying red and blue by now, however, that it would take some effort not to.
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Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it never existed.
Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.
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Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.
Kind of like the chupacabra I suppose.
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