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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:12pm
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[QUOTE=bainsey;804383]You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.


I disagree, sir. In fact, accurate and right are synonymous. [quote]

True in the "correct" sense of "right;" not true in the "morally superior" sense of "right."

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The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak. That's fine. We're officials. Since when do we care about others' emotions in pursuit of accuracy?
You could say "I think it's better to be more accurate than to have on-syllable colors." That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. NCAAW would agree with you. Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it. IT's when you seemed to say that your opinion was the "better" "more ethical "purer" answer that some got a little upset.

For most of us, it's a "do what the assigners want" situation. If they want me to use "light-dark" or "white - colored" or "home-visitor" or "Milford - Tech" I'll do so. Most want me to use "blue - red".
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:21pm
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You could say "I think it's better to be more accurate than to have on-syllable colors." That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. NCAAW would agree with you. Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it. IT's when you seemed to say that your opinion was the "better" "more ethical "purer" answer that some got a little upset.
Negative, sir. See post #37.

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For most of us, it's a "do what the assigners want" situation. If they want me to use "light-dark" or "white - colored" or "home-visitor" or "Milford - Tech" I'll do so. Most want me to use "blue - red".
And there's the trump card. It's the boss's call. Thankfully, my boss knows that purple isn't blue.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 06:59pm
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The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak.
Bullsh1t, you're not getting flak because you're challenging a mechanic, you're getting flak for the following comments:

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Really? Tell that to my son's team.

I know older officials that won't say "purple" or "orange." I don't see what the big deal is to spit out two syllables. Besides, it shows better respect for the team in question. Otherwise, you're just being lazy, IMO.
There's no respect issue here. And calling 99% of high school officials lazy is bound to get you some deserved blow back.

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Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk
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And here is where you leave the impression that you see this as some moral or ethical issue. That's where your argument nuked the fridge, IMO.

I personally don't give a crap what you do, if you can move up in your association while saying "purple," go ahead. Good for you. I don't find "accuracy" here to be important enough to go against the grain. I'm so used to saying red and blue by now, however, that it would take some effort not to.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 09:23pm
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bainsey, I don't understand what you don't grasp about the fact that there's no right or wrong about this issue. Your moral superiority on this subject is quite nauseating.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 09:45pm
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Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it never existed.
Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.
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Old Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:23pm
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Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.
Kind of like the chupacabra I suppose.
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:32am
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And here is where you leave the impression that you see this as some moral or ethical issue.
Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:41am
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Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.
You obviously don't understand the concept of morality. By definition, it involves the concepts of right and wrong, which is all you have talked about in this thread.
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 12:43am
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Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.
No, you accused me of bringing it up. But that's why you're taking crap, not because of some imagined sacred cow.
Well, that and the part where you called officials who don't do it your way lazy. That came across a bit high-horsey.
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You obviously don't understand the concept of morality.
On the contrary, sir. I understand it quite well, but this has to do with being factual, not moral.
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:42am
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No wonder people think we don't have a clue.

Some guy starts a thread about humorous comments from kids and we end up with a teenaged argument on blue and purple.

I'm right.... No, I'm right.... You might be right, but......

Sheesh
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:45am
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No wonder people think we don't have a clue.

Some guy starts a thread about humorous comments from kids and we end up with a teenaged argument on blue and purple.

I'm right.... No, I'm right.... You might be right, but......

Sheesh
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:47am
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On the contrary, sir. I understand it quite well, but this has to do with being factual, not moral.
Not according to this:

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Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk.
That's when you made it about morals. Notice you didn't say "I'm doing what's correct" (vs. what is incorrect). You said "I'm doing what's right" (vs. what is wrong, ie calling out blue or red)

That's okay. You keep playing your semantics games. We all know what you mean.

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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 10:56am
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That's when you made it about morals. Notice you didn't say "I'm doing what's correct" (vs. what is incorrect).
Wow, and they say that I'm splitting hairs.

Right, correct, tomato, tomahto. You, sir, made it about morals.

And asdf, YOU are right. This is too much. I'm done with it.
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Old Wed Dec 14, 2011, 11:00am
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Wow, and they say that I'm splitting hairs.

Right, correct, tomato, tomahto. You, sir, made it about morals.
Actually, I said a long time ago in this thread that I see no right or wrong about it. It's actually not that big of a deal. I take no issue with any official doing it either way. If you want to say purple, I say go for it. If Snaqs wants to say blue, I say more power to him.

What I do take issue with is morally superior officials (like you) who want to make a point of telling other officials who choose to do something like this a certain way that they're doing something wrong.
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