a fall and a trip

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Why would you? (Assuming defender isn't moving when contacted)

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jay R

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

I don't make calls based who will or won't complain.

Jay, I think you work mostly NCAA rules, correct?

In NCAA, you'd be correct. It's specifically addressed.

But not so in NFHS.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I don't make calls based who will or won't complain.

Jay, I think you work mostly NCAA rules, correct?

In NCAA, you'd be correct. It's specifically addressed.

But not so in NFHS.

My experience is with NCAA rules in the past and FIBA now. I live in Canada. I learned something. I never thought that NFHS would somehow be different in this context.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Jay R

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

If you call that at high school, you're simply wrong. I know you won't (or don't) believe me, so I suggest you ask your schedulers or supervisors. I promise you are incorrect.

I've seen you post college responses here before, so if you're referring to college ball, you are correct. The question was not stated to be college ball though - and I generally assume high school here unless otherwise noted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

.....I suggest you ask your schedulers or supervisors.

That is not a sure thing. Saturday, the referee for our BV game made several of the guys take off their undershirts because they had long sleeves. The other umpire and I told him he was mistaken. We ended up making a little wager. The other umpire is acquainted with the assistant executive director of our state, so he gave him a call on the way home. He backed the ruling made by the referee.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That is not a sure thing. Saturday, the referee for our BV game made several of the guys take off their undershirts because they had long sleeves. The other umpire and I told him he was mistaken. We ended up making a little wager. The other umpire is acquainted with the assistant executive director of our state, so he gave him a call on the way home. He backed the ruling made by the referee.

Ugh! Fair enough!

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That is not a sure thing. Saturday, the referee for our BV game made several of the guys take off their undershirts because they had long sleeves. The other umpire and I told him he was mistaken. We ended up making a little wager. The other umpire is acquainted with the assistant executive director of our state, so he gave him a call on the way home. He backed the ruling made by the referee.

So, did the R and Asst Exec split the money?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jay R

You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

I'm probalby not (NFHS).