a fall and a trip

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

B's position is legal (FED rules), so the rest of the play is what it is.

There's a difference between being tripped, and tripping.

[vbzebra]

B may have had LGP, but once he's fallen onto the floor, he no longer has LGP, right? If he moves even a wee bit with A1 falling after the contact with
B1, we'd have a foul on B1, right?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

B may have had LGP, but once he's fallen onto the floor, he no longer has LGP, right? If he moves even a wee bit with A1 falling after the contact with
B1, we'd have a foul on B1, right?

Makes no difference whether he has LGP or not. If he got to his spot on the floor first without illegally contacting an opponent, then he is entitled to that position under NFHS rules. His movement is no more limited than if he was still on his feet.

[CoachNRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Makes no difference whether he has LGP or not. If he got to his spot on the floor first without illegally contacting an opponent, then he is entitled to that position under NFHS rules. His movement is no more limited than if he was still on his feet.

Whats the rule citation or case?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

Whats the rule citation or case?

4-23-1 (3rd sentence) ...Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.

[Adam]

I've had it happen both ways this year. B1 falls, and lays there while a dribbling A1 trips. No call. B1 trips, and rolls over A1's leg, causing him to fall.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Makes no difference whether he has LGP or not. If he got to his spot on the floor first without illegally contacting an opponent, then he is entitled to that position under NFHS rules. His movement is no more limited than if he was still on his feet.

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jay R

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

Nope.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wow??? Did someone get out of bed on the wrong side today or what! I took NOTHING out of context...I quoted the entire post.

No, just tired of your petty nitpicking of everything I write when others don't have a problem with it.

You highlighted the last statement in RED. You only commented on the last statement. So yes, you damn well did take that statement out of context.

The last statement did not apply to LGP. It applied to the second statement I wrote. I can't believe you don't understand that.

I couldn't care less what you think of my PM to you. I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

BktBallRef: When are you going to take me off your list?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, just tired of your petty nitpicking of everything I write when others don't have a problem with it.

You highlighted the last statement in RED. You only commented on the last statement. So yes, you damn well did take that statement out of context.

The last statement did not apply to LGP. It applied to the second statement I wrote. I can't believe you don't understand that.

I couldn't care less what you think of my PM to you. I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

Petty nitpicking. State things accurately and you'll get no responses. State things ambiguously or incompletely and you'll get replies.

I've ALWAYS respected your contributions here and have considered you a valuable source of information. I am not attempting to make you look like the idiot you claimed to be in the PM. If you feel threatened by having your words clarified/corrected, I can't help that. And if you're ignoring me for that, you've really got thin skin.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

Whats the rule citation or case?

Originally Posted by Jay R

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

The answer is the same for both of you.

4-23-1

Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Jay R

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

Why would you? (Assuming defender isn't moving when contacted)

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Why would you? (Assuming defender isn't moving when contacted)

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jay R

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

I don't make calls based who will or won't complain.

Jay, I think you work mostly NCAA rules, correct?

In NCAA, you'd be correct. It's specifically addressed.

But not so in NFHS.