a fall and a trip

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Makes no difference whether he has LGP or not. If he got to his spot on the floor first without illegally contacting an opponent, then he is entitled to that position under NFHS rules. His movement is no more limited than if he was still on his feet.

Really? Isn't it LGP that grants a defender the privilege of moving at the time of contact?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Really? Isn't it LGP that grants a defender the privilege of moving at the time of contact?

Camron, please don't take my comments out of context and twist them for your own means. I wrote three statements, not one.

A player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent. Whether he's lying on the floor or standing with his back to the dribbler, the same restrictions exist on his movement and his position, based on this rule.

That has nothing to do with LGP, nor did my last two statements have anything to do with LGP.

If you want to tell us about LGP, then by all means, knock yourself out.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CoachNRef

Whats the rule citation or case?

Originally Posted by Jay R

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

The answer is the same for both of you.

4-23-1

Every player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Camron, please don't take my comments out of context and twist them for your own means. I wrote three statements, not one.

A player is entitled to a spot on the playing court provided such player gets there first without illegally contacting an opponent. Whether he's lying on the floor or standing with his back to the dribbler, the same restrictions exist on his movement and his position, based on this rule.

That has nothing to do with LGP, nor did my last two statements have anything to do with LGP.

If you want to tell us about LGP, then by all means, knock yourself out.

Wow??? Did someone get out of bed on the wrong side today or what! I took NOTHING out of context...I quoted the entire post.

The fact is that the movement that the movement of a player on the floor is more limited than a player on their feet since a player laying on the floor can't have LGP.

Your IM to me was as juvenile as I've seen in a long time.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wow??? Did someone get out of bed on the wrong side today or what! I took NOTHING out of context...I quoted the entire post.

No, just tired of your petty nitpicking of everything I write when others don't have a problem with it.

You highlighted the last statement in RED. You only commented on the last statement. So yes, you damn well did take that statement out of context.

The last statement did not apply to LGP. It applied to the second statement I wrote. I can't believe you don't understand that.

I couldn't care less what you think of my PM to you. I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

BktBallRef: When are you going to take me off your list?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

No, just tired of your petty nitpicking of everything I write when others don't have a problem with it.

You highlighted the last statement in RED. You only commented on the last statement. So yes, you damn well did take that statement out of context.

The last statement did not apply to LGP. It applied to the second statement I wrote. I can't believe you don't understand that.

I couldn't care less what you think of my PM to you. I now have two posters on my Ignore list.

Petty nitpicking. State things accurately and you'll get no responses. State things ambiguously or incompletely and you'll get replies.

I've ALWAYS respected your contributions here and have considered you a valuable source of information. I am not attempting to make you look like the idiot you claimed to be in the PM. If you feel threatened by having your words clarified/corrected, I can't help that. And if you're ignoring me for that, you've really got thin skin.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I've ALWAYS respected your contributions here and have considered you a valuable source of information. I am not attempting to make you look like the idiot you claimed to be in the PM. If you feel threatened by having your words clarified/corrected, I can't help that. And if you're ignoring me for that, you've really got thin skin.

Agreed. There are a lot of those here.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Jay R

So the defender dives to the floor in front of a dribbler. As long as he gets there before the dribbler, you're not calling a foul when the dribbler trips over the defender?

Why would you? (Assuming defender isn't moving when contacted)

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Wow??? Did someone get out of bed on the wrong side today or what! I took NOTHING out of context...I quoted the entire post.

The fact is that the movement that the movement of a player on the floor is more limited than a player on their feet since a player laying on the floor can't have LGP.

Your IM to me was as juvenile as I've seen in a long time.

Yeah, ya did. The red sentence is part of his explanation as to why LGP is NOT relevant in this case. You took the sentence and reversed the context.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Why would you? (Assuming defender isn't moving when contacted)

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Jay R

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

I don't make calls based who will or won't complain.

Jay, I think you work mostly NCAA rules, correct?

In NCAA, you'd be correct. It's specifically addressed.

But not so in NFHS.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Jay R

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I can't believe this. The defender does not have a LGP. You can't defend someone while lying on your back. You often see someone get a rebound and trip on a player who fell to the floor next to them. Are you calling a travel or a foul? I'm calling the foul.

If you go back to the original post. The defender tripped (I assume on his own feet) and then the dribbler tripped on the defender. I'm assuming all of this happened quickly and that the dribbler did not have time to avoid the player on the floor. Call the foul, nobody is going to complain.

If you call that at high school, you're simply wrong. I know you won't (or don't) believe me, so I suggest you ask your schedulers or supervisors. I promise you are incorrect.

I've seen you post college responses here before, so if you're referring to college ball, you are correct. The question was not stated to be college ball though - and I generally assume high school here unless otherwise noted.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

.....I suggest you ask your schedulers or supervisors.

That is not a sure thing. Saturday, the referee for our BV game made several of the guys take off their undershirts because they had long sleeves. The other umpire and I told him he was mistaken. We ended up making a little wager. The other umpire is acquainted with the assistant executive director of our state, so he gave him a call on the way home. He backed the ruling made by the referee.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That is not a sure thing. Saturday, the referee for our BV game made several of the guys take off their undershirts because they had long sleeves. The other umpire and I told him he was mistaken. We ended up making a little wager. The other umpire is acquainted with the assistant executive director of our state, so he gave him a call on the way home. He backed the ruling made by the referee.

Ugh! Fair enough!