K-State/West Virgina Almost Blarge

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by mbyron

Ha! The 2 fisted foul signal!

Looked like a block to me.

I had a charge. Just for my knowledge, what part of that made you go block?

[APG]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I had a charge. Just for my knowledge, what part of that made you go block?

I have a block too...I have the defender moving forward after the offensive player is airborne and thus no LGP.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Block, IMO. B1 moving into A1. But really close, even in replay.

And I agree with the "two calls don't make a double call" philosophy. However, I don't know the NCAAM rule on that, without looking it up. I know the NCAAW version of those situations involves doing a sensible thing, by rule, and conferencing about which call the crew wants to go with of the two (or three). For those that subscribe to the the "one official has a block, one official has a charge, therefore we have to administer a blarge" theory: When one official has a foul, and one official has a travel, should we administer a fravel? I think common sense should dictate that officials talk about what they each saw and called and why, and then go from there. (I realize some rule sets do not allow for that in some situations, however.)

[Danvrapp]

Is there anything wrong (let's talk college and/or NFHS) with the L and T getting together real quick to discuss what the right call should have been? Obviously this is why we should have eye contact on a double whistle, but how is this double whistle any different than me whispering to a partner that I saw someone else tip the ball out of bounds?

Obviously the two preliminary signals contradict each other, but what harm comes of a quick discussion?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Is there anything wrong (let's talk college and/or NFHS) with the L and T getting together real quick to discuss what the right call should have been? Obviously this is why we should have eye contact on a double whistle, but how is this double whistle any different than me whispering to a partner that I saw someone else tip the ball out of bounds?

Obviously the two preliminary signals contradict each other, but what harm comes of a quick discussion?

You do not need to have a discussion to make this call and I think that would be inappropriate. At least not other than making eye contact and making a call. All this will do is bring on more debate as to why the call was made IMO.

Peace

[Danvrapp]

Given a double whistle with NO prelim signal(s), I agree. But with the prelim signal(s) I would think you save more face (and have a better chance of getting the call right!) if you conference real quick.

And I'm surprised no one brought this up yet...is the T obligated to buy the beer after the game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Given a double whistle with NO prelim signal(s), I agree. But with the prelim signal(s) I would think you save more face (and have a better chance of getting the call right!) if you conference real quick.

And I'm surprised no one brought this up yet...is the T obligated to buy the beer after the game?

The problem is the rules do not support your position. This rule is exactly the same a the NCAA level as it is at the NF level.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Given a double whistle with NO prelim signal(s), I agree. But with the prelim signal(s) I would think you save more face (and have a better chance of getting the call right!) if you conference real quick.

And I'm surprised no one brought this up yet...is the T obligated to buy the beer after the game?

The only time you can get together under NCAA-M rules after conflicting signals on a block/charge play is if the play involves the restricted area. Otherwise you're stuck with a double foul.

[fiasco]

Since I'm not as well-versed in 3-man, can someone give some insight into whose call this should be? I mean, I know it's in an intersecting place on the court in terms of coverage, but whose primary is it? Seems like the play originated in the T's area, but the secondary defender is coming from the L's area.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I had a charge. Just for my knowledge, what part of that made you go block?

I saw the same as APG: defender moves into airborne shooter, thus forfeiting LGP.