Invoking the R privilege

[Adam]

Dual coverage area? If so, I might approach and offer info. If not, I'm more likely to assume I saw it wrong. Either way, it doesn't matter whether the coach asks.

It also doesn't matter, IMO, whether I'm the R.

[Welpe]

AMERICAN RULING:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Dual coverage area? If so, I might approach and offer info. If not, I'm more likely to assume I saw it wrong. Either way, it doesn't matter whether the coach asks.

It also doesn't matter, IMO, whether I'm the R.

I agree.

[JugglingReferee]

Funny, Welpe. But you neglected to include the light bulb.


Everyone else in the gym knew that 21 fouled. The crowd (well, half perhaps) voiced their opinion when 23 was reported. The Team A coaching staff knew - and let me know. B#23 looked puzzled. The other players didn't say anything. I didn't know that the L reported 23. But when the coach asked me, I put 2 and 2 together and realized that the booing was from the wrong number, not the clear and obvious foul.

So I approached the calling official. We had a discussion, and he stayed "happy" with his call, despite the multiple points that I brought to him. In fact, during our conference, one fan even said "it was 21"; but that could have easily been missed amongst the plethora of crowd noise.

I don't have my book with me at present, nor PDFs, so I can't look up the exact language. There is a statement that if the two officials disagree, then the Referee shall make the final decision. I was the Umpire in the game, but if I was the Referee, using that privilege ensures that the call is correct.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

There is a statement that if the two officials disagree, then the Referee shall make the final decision.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there Tex!! The R doesn't get final say on EVERY decision. I believe the article you're alluding to only applies when the officials can't agree on whether a try near the expiration of time should be scored.

If I'm the R, I can't go in after my partner's travel call and say "I don't agree! Still Team A's ball!"

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there Tex!! The R doesn't get final say on EVERY decision. I believe the article you're alluding to only applies when the officials can't agree on whether a try near the expiration of time should be scored.

Now that you mention it, I believe you are correct.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

If I'm the R, I can't go in after my partner's travel call and say "I don't agree! Still Team A's ball!"

But you would say something if the application of his judgement was incorrect. For example, if he gave Team A a throw-in after a travel.

My P judged there to be a foul. But he called it on the wrong person. #23 was on the court, but nowhere near A1. (He did not call an off-ball after habitual motion had started.)

More importantly, my P should have changed his call; his clues being the conference, and all of the boos.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Whoa, whoa, whoa, there Tex!! The R doesn't get final say on EVERY decision. I believe the article you're alluding to only applies when the officials can't agree on whether a try near the expiration of time should be scored. If I'm the R, I can't go in after my partner's travel call and say "I don't agree! Still Team A's ball!"

SECTION 3 REFEREE’S AUTHORITY
The referee shall make decisions on any points not specifically covered in the
rules.

SECTION 4 REFEREE’S PREGAME DUTIES
The referee shall:
ART. 1 Inspect and approve all equipment, including court, baskets, ball,
backboards, and timer’s and scorer’s signals.
ART. 2 Designate the official timepiece and official timer prior to the
scheduled starting time of the game.
ART. 3 Designate the official scorebook and official scorer prior to the
scheduled starting time of the game.
ART. 4 Be responsible for having each team notified three minutes before
each half is to begin.
ART. 5 Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team
member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that
all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

SECTION 5 REFEREE’S DUTIES DURING GAME
The referee shall:
ART. 1 Designate the official to toss the ball in the center restraining circle
for all jump-ball situations.
ART. 2 Administer the alternating-possession throw-in to start the second,
third and fourth quarters.
ART. 3 Decide whether a goal shall count if the officials disagree.
ART. 4 May declare the game a forfeit when conditions warrant.
ART. 5 Decide matters upon which the timer and scorer disagree and
correct obvious timing errors.
ART. 6 Confer with the official scorer at halftime to determine the
possession arrow is pointed in the proper direction to begin play in the third
quarter.
ART. 7 Check and approve the score at the end of each half.

SECTION 6 OFFICIALS’ AUTHORITY
No official has the authority to set aside or question decisions made by the
other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined duties.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Dual coverage area? If so, I might approach and offer info. If not, I'm more likely to assume I saw it wrong. Either way, it doesn't matter whether the coach asks.

It also doesn't matter, IMO, whether I'm the R.

And, it doesn't matter whether the crowd boos.

It does, apparently, matter that it was a "city semi-final" game, though. At least in Canada. In the USA, we wouldn't worry about it until the County Finals. Rule 12-6.

As with (almost) all calls, all you can do is go in and offer information. If the partner won't change it, that's on him/her.

[Danvrapp]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In the USA, we wouldn't worry about it until the County Finals. Rule 12-6.

Can you site the case-book play? I can't find it...?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Danvrapp

Can you site the case-book play? I can't find it...?

Case book play 12.6.1

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Case book play 12.6.1

More specifically 12.6.1 Situation C

[silverpie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It does, apparently, matter that it was a "city semi-final" game, though. At least in Canada. In the USA, we wouldn't worry about it until the County Finals. Rule 12-6.

In Saskatchewan, the "city semifinals" are virtual round-of-16 games of the provincial playoff series, so that really is a high-stakes game.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by silverpie

In Saskatchewan, the "city semifinals" are virtual round-of-16 games of the provincial playoff series, so that really is a high-stakes game.

What about in Labrador?

[silverpie]

Originally Posted by Welpe

What about in Labrador?

Labrador doesn't have any cities (largest settlements are towns), so the issue does not come up. (I mentioned SK specifically because that's where JugglingReferee appears to be from.)