Another problem with the new backcourt rule?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Notice, though, that it doesn't say that the ball must gain frontcourt status. It just says backcourt to frontcourt. While dribbling, the ball can clearly go into the frontcourt without having frontcourt status.

And how does the ball go from backcourt to frontcourt? The rule has always read that way except with the added part about player control...if you really read it the way you are, you'd be calling this a violation in the past.The only way it does so while a player is dribbling the ball is if all three points are in the frontcourt. Otherwhise, in your scenario, the ball is in the backcourt by rule.

[asdf]

What new backcourt rule ??

What's so hard about the following...

The rule change adding team control during a throw in only affects the administration of fouls committed during the throw in. It has no affect on existing frontcourt-backcourt, three seconds, or traveling/dribbling violations.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

What new backcourt rule ??

What's so hard about the following...

The rule change adding team control during a throw in only affects the administration of fouls committed during the throw in. It has no affect on existing frontcourt-backcourt, three seconds, or traveling/dribbling violations.

The comments on the changes say that, but the rules that got changed actually say otherwise. The new team control rules (as actually written) create several new violations that didn't exist before. But the comments provided with them say that those things are not actually violations.

So, in a few years, we'll be having an argument about the rules where one person will accuse others of making up their own rules and will insist that they should be called as they're written while another person will be arguing on the side of intent and purpose of the rule.

Anything that depends on team control is affected....the 3 second count, 10 second count, over-and-back.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The comments on the changes say that, but the rules that got changed actually say otherwise. The new team control rules (as actually written) create several new violations that didn't exist before. But the comments provided with them say that those things are not actually violations.

So, in a few years, we'll be having an argument about the rules where one person will accuse others of making up their own rules and will insist that they should be called as they're written while another person will be arguing on the side of intent and purpose of the rule.

Anything that depends on team control is affected....the 3 second count, 10 second count, over-and-back.

Let 'em "fix" them next year.

Meanwhile, let's not shoot foul shots when a foul is committed on a throw in and officiate everthing else like we always have, instead of having people call violations on that were never intended to be called as violations.

Spirit and Intent.... It's not that hard !!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

Let 'em "fix" them next year.

Meanwhile, let's not shoot foul shots when a foul is committed on a throw in and officiate everthing else like we always have, instead of having people call violations on that were never intended to be called as violations.

Spirit and Intent.... It's not that hard !!

I agree, but that will not stop someone, somewhere down the road saying that they should be enforced as written....we've been there so many times it is bound to happen again.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by camron rust

i agree, but that will not stop someone, somewhere down the road saying that they should be enforced as written....we've been there so many times it is bound to happen again.

+1

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree, but that will not stop someone, somewhere down the road saying that they should be enforced as written....we've been there so many times it is bound to happen again.

Those are the guys that don't get it and never will.

They don't like to study what we really do, they just like to argue.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by asdf

Those are the guys that don't get it and never will.

They don't like to study what we really do, they just like to argue.

But still, it is far better to write and well written rule...one that is simple, concise, and accurate than to depend on tribal knowledge about what they really meant.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by asdf

Those are the guys that don't get it and never will.

They don't like to study what we really do, they just like to argue.

Not necessarily. Could be someone who begins his officiating career in the summer of 2012 and hasn't been privy to the previous wording of the rules. We've had quite a few debates here in which 5,6,7 year-old interps are used to provide the answer because the rule and case books aren't clear.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by asdf

Let 'em "fix" them next year.

My fear is that they won't really fix it. They'll keep relying on "you know what we mean". Or nibble at the edges, trying to patch the problem instead of just scrapping it and starting over.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

And how does the ball go from backcourt to frontcourt?

Player A1 holding tha ball in the B/C near the D/L bounce passes the ball with english on it, into the F/C and then back into the B/C where his teammate A2 catches the passed ball?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mregor

Player A1 holding tha ball in the B/C near the D/L bounce passes the ball with english on it, into the F/C and then back into the B/C where his teammate A2 catches the passed ball?

My question was directed toward Scrapper1 and to how a ball goes from the the backcourt to the frontcourt while dribbling...all 3 points being in the frontcourt....which went back to my first post in the thread.