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Old Sun Oct 09, 2011, 03:32pm
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NFHS Signals

I've always been taught that the hand mechanics for calling a violation are: 5,4,2, that is, open upraised five-fingered hand, the violation signal, direction of the ensuing OOB throw-in with four fingers, then spot of the designated throw-in with two fingers. The old 5-4-2.
While prepping for a small-group pre-season rules meeting on NFHS signals, I now note that the faceless picto-guy in the back of the book shows 5 for the direction signal (pic 6) and only 1 for the spot of the throw-in (pic 26).
Is this new, or have I been taught incorrectly all these years?
Any insights on this issue of the NFHS authorized signals?
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Old Sun Oct 09, 2011, 06:05pm
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I've always been taught that the hand mechanics for calling a violation are: 5,4,2, that is, open upraised five-fingered hand, the violation signal, direction of the ensuing OOB throw-in with four fingers, then spot of the designated throw-in with two fingers. The old 5-4-2.
While prepping for a small-group pre-season rules meeting on NFHS signals, I now note that the faceless picto-guy in the back of the book shows 5 for the direction signal (pic 6) and only 1 for the spot of the throw-in (pic 26).
Is this new, or have I been taught incorrectly all these years?
Any insights on this issue of the NFHS authorized signals?
It's the same as last year's pics, and I think you're reading too much into it.
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Old Sun Oct 09, 2011, 09:26pm
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Do what the people you work for like or accept. Honestly I think we spend too much time worrying about what it says in the book as the only way to do something.

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It's the same as last year's pics, and I think you're reading too much into it.
"1.1.6 Signals: Proper NFHS signals, as outlined in this manual and the rules book, are to be used exclusively."

I guess I'm reading too much into that.
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"1.1.6 Signals: Proper NFHS signals, as outlined in this manual and the rules book, are to be used exclusively."

I guess I'm reading too much into that.
Then we agree.
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Old Mon Oct 10, 2011, 01:42pm
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Then we agree.
When my state assistant director finds out that I've taught the guys in our group to ignore the Mr. Faceless Picto-Guy and do the old 5-4-2, I can always say, "Don't argue with Bob..." I'm comfortable with that.
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Old Mon Oct 10, 2011, 04:24pm
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"1.1.6 Signals: Proper NFHS signals, as outlined in this manual and the rules book, are to be used exclusively."

I guess I'm reading too much into that.
Yes you are. Not every state, association or jurisdiction follows NF mechanics and certainly do not follow them to that level of how many fingers are in a signal. This is why I said listen to those that you work for as their standards are what are really important, not what the NF says. The NF does not hire anyone to work games or give playoffs. The NF does not even dictate many things as it relates to mechanics, so that is a nice reference but has so many hollow parts to it.

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When my state assistant director finds out that I've taught the guys in our group to ignore the Mr. Faceless Picto-Guy and do the old 5-4-2, I can always say, "Don't argue with Bob..." I'm comfortable with that.
If your state insists you follow the new picto guy, do it. If your state says to do something else, do that. If your state hasn't made it an issue either way, follow the picto guy.

Caveat: if the people who make your assignments disagree with your state, you'll need to make a choice.
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Caveat: if the people who make your assignments disagree with your state, you'll need to make a choice.
Then you only care what the state says if they are giving playoff games or assigning you to games that they have some influence over who works the State Tournament (Finals). It is not unusual for us to have to decide what to do with conflicting philosophies. Usually the higher you are on the pecking order is the reason you might be able to get away with more.

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Not every state, association or jurisdiction follows NF mechanics.
Here in the Constitution State, the entire state uses NFHS rules, and IAABO mechanics.
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When my state assistant director finds out that I've taught the guys in our group to ignore the Mr. Faceless Picto-Guy and do the old 5-4-2, I can always say, "Don't argue with Bob..." I'm comfortable with that.
Are the (one-handed) signals only to be given with the right arm? That's what's shown in the book.
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Are the (one-handed) signals only to be given with the right arm? That's what's shown in the book.
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Are the (one-handed) signals only to be given with the right arm? That's what's shown in the book.
Good point! Maybe all those lefties are not right!
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