Intentional or Not

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

Can you explain why you don't think intent is a part of an intentional foul situation?

In addition to what JRut said, it is not part of our jobs to make decisions as to what players are thinking or intending to do.
The part of the rule that says, intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated... tells us that intent has nothing to do with assessing intentional fouls.

Im sure you threw up the X in a game just to hear the player/coach say, "he didn't try to knock him down."

NCAA-M is eliminating the intentional foul & going to flagrant 1 & 2 this season for this very reason:

Eliminate the use of an intentional foul and replace it with “Flagrant 1”. Flagrant 1 will carry a penalty of two shots and the ball; Flagrant 2 will be two shots, the ball and ejection of the offender.

Rationale: To remove the concept of intent from these rules.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This is an accepted practice in professional basketball, but not in amateur athletics.

The simple phrase "neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position" was created for this exact type of non-play on the ball. This phrase was included because the rules-makers do not want this type of defence in basketball. Period. If you don't like it, get yourself onto the rules committee and petition for a change. Until, you'll have to set your personal opinion aside (most of us have some rule that we don't like) and call the play correctly with an X.

This is a great post and an absolutely HORRIBLE rule. By that wording yeah I guess that would be ruled an intentional foul, but all player's understand taking a foul to keep the guy from scoring, which is all this player did. That's why I believe the NCAA has instituted the Flagrant fouls system, so that these plays are acceptable. That play in no way should be ruled a FF.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

That's why I believe the NCAA has instituted the Flagrant fouls system, so that these plays are acceptable.

Disagree. The wording of the rules hasn't changed, so the play would be called the same way.