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Raymond Sun Aug 07, 2011 07:24pm

Without looking at anybody else's answer (and with no ability to slow down the video) I have B1 still sliding into place after A1 elevates.

JugglingReferee Sun Aug 07, 2011 07:30pm

Block.

But in real time seeing it just once, I have no problems with an official's account of this being a PC. It's pretty close.

Great video APG! Thanks.

twocentsworth Sun Aug 07, 2011 09:36pm

block...and NOT the C's calling area. should have been lead all the way.

bob jenkins Mon Aug 08, 2011 07:55am

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Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 778759)
block...and NOT the C's calling area. should have been lead all the way.

This might depend on what mechanics you use -- does L have the entire lane, or just to the middle of the lane?

I'm fine with the charge call here.

twocentsworth Mon Aug 08, 2011 08:58am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 778846)
This might depend on what mechanics you use -- does L have the entire lane, or just to the middle of the lane?

I'm fine with the charge call here.

unless the block/charge contact occurs outside the lane on C's side - imho, the Lead should have block/charge calls on drives to the basket....the defender involved in these plays is almost never the one guarding the ball - he/she is coming over from the weak-side...who better to see that than the Lead?

bob jenkins Mon Aug 08, 2011 09:19am

L can see it if the defender comes from the L's side. But, this defender came from the wing on C's side. L would not be looking there (or if he was, then he should have come across).

tref Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:01am

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Originally Posted by Rob1968 (Post 778661)
So, it appears that this is a two-man crew, as the over-all play is on the camera side of the floor, and the Lead doesn't rotate.

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 778674)
...if this was 3-man, then I'd be saying that the lead was too slow to rotate strong side.

Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 778759)
block...and NOT the C's calling area. should have been lead all the way.

Looks like a college game, but due to no L rotation & the position of the calling official, it seems to be a crew of 2. I still cant figure it out... 2 or 3 person crew APG?

JugglingReferee Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:30am

2-3 seconds in, the L does venture to the Z, which could be evidence that he was going to rotate, which may imply a 3-person crew.

rockyroad Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:31am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 778878)
Looks like a college game, but due to no L rotation & the position of the calling official, it seems to be a crew of 2. I still cant figure it out... 2 or 3 person crew APG?

Not a college game...it's a HS game in the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference. Home team is Gonzaga College High School. Not sure who the visiting team is. I am guessing it's 3-person by the depth of the guy on the sideline who makes the PC call. The L looks like he is going to rotate until the ball is kicked back out to top of key area...

As far as the call...no problem with the PC call at full speed. On replay, I would be kicking myself because it should be a block.

bob jenkins Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:04am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 778885)
2-3 seconds in, the L does venture to the Z,

The L ventures where?

BktBallRef Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 778886)
I am guessing it's 3-person by the depth of the guy on the sideline who makes the PC call. The L looks like he is going to rotate until the ball is kicked back out to top of key area...

That's what I thought, too. If this is two man, that's the deepest T I've ever seen.

JugglingReferee Mon Aug 08, 2011 05:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 778895)
The L ventures where?

To the Z. It's a letter in "Gonzaga". :p

bob jenkins Tue Aug 09, 2011 07:34am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 779011)
To the Z. It's a letter in "Gonzaga". :p

Ah. I thought it was some new positioning shorthand

Adam Tue Aug 09, 2011 09:56am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by twocentsworth (Post 778863)
unless the block/charge contact occurs outside the lane on C's side - imho, the Lead should have block/charge calls on drives to the basket....the defender involved in these plays is almost never the one guarding the ball - he/she is coming over from the weak-side...who better to see that than the Lead?

Our training here is that lead has half of the lane. If he's looking at the other half, he needs to rotate. Note, for technical reasons, I haven't seen the play, I'm just responding to the idea that the lead has the entire lane in three-person.

btaylor64 Tue Aug 09, 2011 05:27pm

I have a question: why do those of u who said block, have a block?? This seems to be a clear cut block, the player continues to slide over and towards the off. Player after he has went airborne and correct me if I'm wrong but a player is allwed to establish LGP and move to maintain, but he must be in position to take the contact once the off. Player has went airborne, correct?


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