Violation?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

I don't care if the player throws it in from the concession stand outside the gym, as long is it goes directly to the court (no OOB bounce) and touches a player in bounds and is released within 5 seconds, I'm letting it pass. I don't even care if it hits the concession stand.

Adam,you should care if it hits the concession stand.That one is covered in the rules,and is a violation.See casebook play 9.2.2SitA(a).

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rockyroad
And just so Chuck doesn't feel too bad, I work with a guy who - believe it or not - is a KANSAS CITY FAN!!! He says he's hoping for 70 wins this season...and I thought being a BoSox fan was tough!!

Hey, at least the Royals have won a World Series in the last 20 years (with the help of Don Denkinger! )

Chuck

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Mark,you're confusing the hell out of everybody:
1)All throw-ins aren't designated spot throw-ins.Only the one where the official actually establishes the spot by putting the ball at the player's disposal is.
2)the designated spot is specifically defined as being 3 feet wide with no depth limitations-NOT sideline to sideline.

All of that is in the rules definition of a throw-in- R4-41-6.You can't change the specific wording of the definition just to meet your premise of how the play should be called.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Mar 5th, 2003 at 12:08 PM]

Come on JR. Read NFHS R7-S5-A7, that is the exception to the designated sport throw-in. If one treats a throw-in made under R7-S5-A7 as just a special type of designated throw-in and if there are more than member of the throwing team out-of-bounds along the end line treat all of those players as one player for purposes of the throw-in. That is the effect of R7-S5-A7.

[Adam]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Adam,you should care if it hits the concession stand.That one is covered in the rules,and is a violation.See casebook play 9.2.2SitA(a).

To me, the key there is "attempts deception." The situation at hand is a "pass" from one OOB player to another OOB player that gets muffed but remains OOB. Of course the pass didn't go directly onto the court, but it's still not a violation. What if she muffs it into the bleachers (end-line bleachers) and recovers in time? How is that different from a wall?

Adam

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
[/B]

Come on JR. Read NFHS R7-S5-A7, that is the exception to the designated sport throw-in. If one treats a throw-in made under R7-S5-A7 as just a special type of designated throw-in and if there are more than member of the throwing team out-of-bounds along the end line treat all of those players as one player for purposes of the throw-in. That is the effect of R7-S5-A7. [/B][/QUOTE]Come on Mark.Read NFHS R7-S5-A2.That is the designated spot throw-in. R7-S5-A7 is a non-designated spot throw-in.Two different animals,with some different rulings applied to each of them.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Snaqwells

To me, the key there is "attempts deception." The situation at hand is a "pass" from one OOB player to another OOB player that gets muffed but remains OOB. Of course the pass didn't go directly onto the court, but it's still not a violation. What if she muffs it into the bleachers (end-line bleachers) and recovers in time? How is that different from a wall?

Adam,you're saying above that you ain't gonna call anything as long as the inbounds pass goes directly onto the court and touches a player in bounds.you also state that you won't allow an OOB bounce on the same throw-in.Isn't hitting anything OOB exactly the same as the OOB bounce that you say you won't allow?How is the concession stand any different than the floor?They're both OOB!

[Adam]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Adam,you're saying above that you ain't gonna call anything as long as the inbounds pass goes directly onto the court and touches a player in bounds.you also state that you won't allow an OOB bounce on the same throw-in.Isn't hitting anything OOB exactly the same as the OOB bounce that you say you won't allow?How is the concession stand any different than the floor?They're both OOB! [/B]

Okay. I think I need to clarify (in case my assignor is reading this).
I'm much more strict on the spot throw in. The player must stay within the three-foot spot. Once they get beyond that spot, violation, even if they're chasing a fumbled ball.
On an endline throw in, I'm far more lenient. If an OOB pass from one player to another (legal) gets muffed, fine. They've got as far back as they can physically step to get the ball in. If a bounce pass is okay between OOB players, I'm not sure I can call a violation if the ball hits the wall or bleachers (assuming a muffed pass rather than an attempt to deceive.)
Now, if the ball hits an object out of bounds (which I'll consider the same as hitting the floor OOB) and bounces onto the playing court.... Violation.
Make sense? After reading this, I'm starting to confuse me.

Adam

[Stan]

Ater a made basket by A, team B takes the ball out and has two players OOB. When B1 passes to B2, both are OOB, A reaches across the verticle plane of the end line and deflects the ball. Violation on A? If yes, can B still run the baseline?

Thanks.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Stan
Ater a made basket by A, team B takes the ball out and has two players OOB. When B1 passes to B2, both are OOB, A reaches across the verticle plane of the end line and deflects the ball. Violation on A? If yes, can B still run the baseline?

Thanks.

No and no.

It's a technical foul on A for contacting the ball on the OOB side of the throw-in plane. B will get 2 FT. B will get a possession at the division line.

[longshot]

Hey, how come everyone can quote rule after rule on a play that happens once in a blue moon but no one will quote me the rule on my traveling question that happens nearly every game?

[mick]

Originally posted by longshot
Hey, how come everyone can quote rule after rule on a play that happens once in a blue moon but no one will quote me the rule on my traveling question that happens nearly every game?

What are you talking about? What's the question, if there is one.
mick

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick

What are you talking about? What's the question, if there is one.
mick

Found 'er,mick. Went back and answered it. Better late than never,I guess.

[longshot]

I don't want to mix threads by asking it again here, but I posted it a couple days ago. The subject is "Traveling?" and its the only thread started by LONGSHOT.

Basically it has to do with loss of ball control when a player is in the air. I would like clarification on when its OK to leave the floor with the ball and return to the floor with the ball.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by longshot
I don't want to mix threads by asking it again here, but I posted it a couple days ago. The subject is "Traveling?" and its the only thread started by LONGSHOT.

Basically it has to do with loss of ball control when a player is in the air. I would like clarification on when its OK to leave the floor with the ball and return to the floor with the ball.

Geeze,Longshot,I answered that one 17 minutes ago.

Gimme a break. I'm old,slow,and not too bright.

[longshot]

But you are da man JR. Thanks.