You Make The Call

[tref]

Yes please! IMO, A didn't go to, let alone through the defender.

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Contact maybe marginal but two playrs going to the floor like this probably deserves a call, the defense was not great and the contact changed shot... I think I'd make it a block

With all due respect...you state the contact is marginal, but you would call a foul...it's one of the other, if its marginal, no foul, if its a block its not marginal.

(kinda like how something can be new and yet still improved, lol)

Second, two players falling on the ground, does not a foul make. Just because a play is ugly does not mean a foul occurred. "If two players go down, I'm calling a foul" is one of the "personal philosophies" that we have been trying to get away from in the last few years.

regards,
ch

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CLH

With all due respect...you state the contact is marginal, but you would call a foul...it's one of the other, if its marginal, no foul, if its a block its not marginal.

(kinda like how something can be new and yet still improved, lol)

Second, two players falling on the ground, does not a foul make. Just because a play is ugly does not mean a foul occurred. "If two players go down, I'm calling a foul" is one of the "personal philosophies" that we have been trying to get away from in the last few years.

regards,
ch

Marginal does not mean incidental.

[Adam]

B1 has lgp. A1 jumps and his hip hits B1's shoulder, knocking both to the floor. I'll defer to the guy with the best view of the actual contact and assume the contact was enough for a foul. I'm with MTD, Sr., on this one.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

B1 has lgp. A1 jumps and his hip hits B1's shoulder, knocking both to the floor. I'll defer to the guy with the best view of the actual contact and assume the contact was enough for a foul. I'm with MTD, Sr., on this one.

Snaqs, I don't see that contact. I see B1's upper torso already falling back (away from A1's hip) and A1's foot making contact with B1's thigh/knee. And B1's legs are outside his natural base. If A1 were attempting to dribble around B1 and contact was made between B1's knee and A1's leg that's something that all of us have called a block.

[Adam]

The first angle isn't good for this play, and on the second angle, A1's body blocks the camera view from seeing any concact or space, whichever the case may be, on B1's shoulder. I honestly don't think the camera gives us enough information to decide one way or the other.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The first angle isn't good for this play, and on the second angle, A1's body blocks the camera view from seeing any concact or space, whichever the case may be, on B1's shoulder. I honestly don't think the camera gives us enough information to decide one way or the other.

I think the angles we're given are sufficient to make a call either way. I don't think the defender had a LGP, but even if he did, there wasn't IMO, close to enough contact to call a charge.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by tref

Plus how else do we deter defenders from flopping...

Just like Billy said, 10-3-6f.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Just like Billy said, 10-3-6f.

Seldom used. In fact, I've never seen it used, ever, in thirty years of officiating. But we have it in our "holster" if we need it.

[Camron Rust]

Block/Charge with two bodies down is not a no-call.

The defender may have obtained a LGP but A1's final path wan't into it. B1's knee was extended outside of his frame and into A1's path and B1 was was still sliding towards and into A1's path after A1 was airborne.


Block...and I don't even think it was that close.

[NoFear2020]

In slow motion we can see that at about 0:10 the offensives player has gathered the ball which is the start of the habitual shooting motion and the defensive player is still moving. Block!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by NoFear2020

In slow motion we can see that at about 0:10 the offensives player has gathered the ball which is the start of the habitual shooting motion and the defensive player is still moving.

Be careful here. Don't confuse continuous motion with airborne shooter. They may not be the same in all cases.

[tref]

Originally Posted by NoFear2020

In slow motion we can see that at about 0:10 the offensives player has gathered the ball which is the start of the habitual shooting motion and the defensive player is still moving. Block!

The defender must have LGP before to the offense alights, not prior to the gather.


FTR, I had a block on the 1st angle (Ts view), the 2nd angle (L view) supported a block even more. I thought the defender was going to do a split. As others have said, if it were a screen or a drive by situation we would all have a block here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NoFear2020

In slow motion we can see that at about 0:10 the offensives player has gathered the ball which is the start of the habitual shooting motion and the defensive player is still moving. Block!

completely irrelevant to this play.

[Adam]

Ok, first, I still maintain that B1 has LGP, but after watching it a little more closely, I agree he continued to slide to his right after A1 went airborne. There would have been no contact had he maintained the spot he held when A1 took off.

block, but I think it's close enough to give the official a pass.