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You know BNR, like when your partner indicates a 3 has been attempted but you notice his head constantly goes with the flight of the ball as opposed to watching their shooter up & down. After acknowledging this & my partner is still amazed with the flight of the ball, I'd be a fool not to stay with their shooter. Sometimes we have to improvise.
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For me imminent implies that it is obvious that the shooter/passer is about to go "to & through" the defender. As I stated waaaay back in this thread, A1 never got "to" let alone showed any signs whatsoever of going "through" the defender. He11, IMO he made every effort to avoid contact.
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Aren’t they to be used but together? Please would you point out the case play once more? Thanks! |
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ART. 1...Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by a defensive player during the interval which beings when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight. ART. 2...If an opponent fouls after a player has started a try for goal, he/she is permitted to complete the customary arm movements, and if pivoting or stepping when fouled, may complete the usual foot or body movement in any activity while holding the ball. These privileges are granted only when the usual throwing motion has started before the foul occurs and before the ball is in flight. Continuous motion and LGP have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
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@ :10 A1 has gathered the ball this is the start of his layup/shot, 2 feet in the air dribble has ended. B1 as you can see @:02 B1 has not established LGP, B1 has 2 feet on playing court but his torso is not face A1. |
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I'll try to do you one better, how about the rule as written? 4-23-4 Guarding an opponent with the ball or a stationary opponent without the ball: b. If the opponent with the ball is airborne, the guard must have obtained legal position before the opponent left the floor. Like Ragu... it's in there! It sounds like your problem with understading the rule lies here: Quote:
Defender must obtain LGP prior to this. Act of shooting = Gather Defender can obtain LGP here OR before the shooter "takes off" & may move to maintain LGP during the act of shooting. I'm sure you've seen a "set-shot" before? They never "take off" or alight but they still are in the "act of shooting" at some point. On block/charge plays if we punch it, continuous motion is out the window & LGP is all that applies. If we block it, continuous motion applies because LGP obviously wasn't established. To me its one or the other, we need not combine these rules to come to a decision.
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They something to do with each other, right? |
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The only rule that deals with LGP and when a defensive player has to obtain it in regards to an airborne player has been posted 3 times already...it's must be obtained before a player is airborne.
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You still have yet cite a rule or case play showing this to be the case.
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An airborne shooter has protection from the start of the shot and this might be some distance away, our view has to be wide enough to see where A1 starts/gathers the ball and what B1 is doing, here we need to know if B1 has LGP or not. |
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No rule set requires a defender to get a legal position prior to gathering the ball. None. No matter how much you try to combine or misinterpret rules...heck, even in the NBA, where a defender has to be there slightly earlier than under NF/NCAA rules, they require the defender to be there prior to the upward motion of the offensive player. If we followed your interpretation of the rule, there would be almost no charges on plays to the basket.
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Rule 4-23-2 To obtain an initial legal guarding position: Rule 4-23-2 a, b. Rule 4-41-1 Shooting.... Rule 4-41-4The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball |
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