Newbies - try this one

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Also, I have been in camps where I was told after calling a foul that a major clear out with two post players should not be called because the rebound went the other way, so I changed. From experience I learned that this can come back to bite you later in the game. For me it was a flagrant elbow at the end of the game by the player I allowed to clear out earlier. I no longer allow that behavior. One of the few pieces of advice at camp I am unhappy with.

1) I'm confused. You called the foul (and were told afterwards to let it go), and still got the elbow. So, how do you know not calling the foul makes it worse?

2) You can (try to) address it in other ways -- talk to the players, be more vigilant about lesser contact that does affect the play, etc.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) I'm confused. You called the foul (and were told afterwards to let it go), and still got the elbow. So, how do you know not calling the foul makes it worse?

2) You can (try to) address it in other ways -- talk to the players, be more vigilant about lesser contact that does affect the play, etc.

1) I think the flagrant occurred in a game in which he did not call the foul.

2) Agreed. And in some games, you'll need to get contact that should be let go in most games. Also part of the learning curve.

[hoopguy]

Sorry Bob, to clarify...

The first incident occurred at an instructional camp where I was reffing and there were observers. I called a foul on a clear out on the rebound and the observer thought I should have let it go because the rebound went the other way and it did not affect the play.

The second incident occurred much later in a different game. It was a High School Boys JV and there was a clear out and the rebound went the other way so it did not affect the play and I did not call the foul. At the very end of the game the player who was the culprit flagrantly fouled an opponent with an elbow to the head.

[tref]

I am not Bob, but I play one on the internet...

Sounds like clean up to me! But do you give them a stern "EASY" or "STRAIGHT" as the boxing out begins to escalate??

Many people say "talk to the players" but its all about the tone as well.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by hoopguy

Sorry Bob, to clarify...

The first incident occurred at an instructional camp where I was reffing and there were observers. I called a foul on a clear out on the rebound and the observer thought I should have let it go because the rebound went the other way and it did not affect the play.

The second incident occurred much later in a different game. It was a High School Boys JV and there was a clear out and the rebound went the other way so it did not affect the play and I did not call the foul. At the very end of the game the player who was the culprit flagrantly fouled an opponent with an elbow to the head.

And you have no idea whether he would have gotten stupid even if you'd called the clear out. That's on him, not you.

I had a knucklehead in a FB game a few years back. I stuck him with an intentional in the first half; my partner stuck him with a flagrant in the second half. You can't fix stupid, and sometimes you can't even hide it.