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NCHSAA Tue May 31, 2011 09:48pm

NFHS - Two Hand Reporting
 
What is the decision behind using only 1 hand for foul reporting in NFHS? Have they ever explained their stance?

BktBallRef Tue May 31, 2011 09:54pm

Using one hand forces you to slow down, signal each number individually. That's important when you may have a 14 y/o kid keeping score. It's worked in high school AND college for years.

Mark Padgett Tue May 31, 2011 09:56pm

Also, if it's really loud in the gym, it helps the scorer know that the foul in on number 14 and not number 5.

APG Tue May 31, 2011 10:03pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 762533)
Also, if it's really loud in the gym, it helps the scorer know that the foul in on number 14 and not number 5.

I don't know a scorer who would read four fingers on the left hand and one finger on the right hand as the number five. This ain't addition.

The reason, IMO, why it's not explicitly allowed in NFHS is since the talent of officials encompasses all levels of officials, they keep it simple for everyone. There would be too many officials who mix up how to properly report with two hands. Also, the same thing with scorers who would somehow mix this up.

JugglingReferee Tue May 31, 2011 10:18pm

The two-handed system doesn't distinguish between 52 and 7, par example.

It's expected that the score keeper at an NBA is a professional with ample basketball knowledge and is able to discern whom the foul was called upon.

APG Tue May 31, 2011 10:19pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 762541)
The two-handed system doesn't distinguish between 52 and 7, par example.

It's expected that the score keeper at an NBA is a professional with ample basketball knowledge and is able to discern whom the foul was called upon.

Except 7 is not even a legal number under NF, so that's an afterthought.

JugglingReferee Tue May 31, 2011 10:27pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 762542)
Except 7 is not even a legal number under NF, so that's an afterthought.

My point was that even in the NBA and their professional scorekeepers, two-handed reporting has it's difficulties. That these issues wouldn't exist in Fed wasn't my point. (Other issues would exist as noted.)

Stat-Man Tue May 31, 2011 11:53pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 762545)
My point was that even in the NBA and their professional scorekeepers, two-handed reporting has it's difficulties. That these issues wouldn't exist in Fed wasn't my point. (Other issues would exist as noted.)

I used to work a basketball tournament with modified pro rules and one year, a team had both #55 and #99 on their roster. For each one, the official would flash both hands and fingers so fast I had no idea who they were calling the foul on. If it was noisy, that just added to the challenge of figuring out which player got the foul. :D

At the risk of a hijack, are officials supposed to have their hands in front of the body when indicating the number or off to the side? When some officials indicate numbers with their hands in front of the body, the fingers sometimes blend in with the stripes. :(

BillyMac Wed Jun 01, 2011 06:27am

But We'll Travel Along, Singin' A Song ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 762562)
Are officials supposed to have their hands in front of the body when indicating the number or off to the side?

IAABO mechanics went to the side two years ago. I can't comment on NFHS mechanics, but I'm sure that someone who knows will be along to comment soon.

bbcof83 Wed Jun 01, 2011 09:31am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 762601)
IAABO mechanics went to the side two years ago. I can't comment on NFHS mechanics, but I'm sure that someone who knows will be along to comment soon.

Off to the side, head level I believe.

BBrules Wed Jun 01, 2011 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 762601)
IAABO mechanics went to the side two years ago. I can't comment on NFHS mechanics, but I'm sure that someone who knows will be along to comment soon.

I don't have my Official's Manual with me, but we were taught to report in front about chest level.

Zoochy Wed Jun 01, 2011 03:16pm

make sure you pulse the hand foward and back, then show the back of the hand for the 2nd digit.:eek: NOT!:)
And don't forget to keep moving while reporting.

rockyroad Wed Jun 01, 2011 03:40pm

Any issues that could come up from two-hand reporting are counterbalanced by a similar issue with one-hand reporting...neither one communicates better or worse than the other. The problem with communicating to the table usually resides with us - not whether we use one or two hands to report numbers, but whether we take the time to make eye contact, speak loudly and clearly as we state and show the number, etc., etc...

Mark Padgett Wed Jun 01, 2011 03:41pm

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Originally Posted by BBrules (Post 762700)
I don't have my Official's Manual with me, but we were taught to report in front about chest level.

I worked with a gal in spring league about a month ago who would have had to hold her hands waaaaay out in front to do this. ;)

JRutledge Wed Jun 01, 2011 05:03pm

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Originally Posted by BBrules (Post 762700)
I don't have my Official's Manual with me, but we were taught to report in front about chest level.

Not everything is done out of that manual. This is one of those cases for most people.

Peace


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