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BktBallRef Wed Jun 01, 2011 05:18pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 762711)
Any issues that could come up from two-hand reporting are counterbalanced by a similar issue with one-hand reporting...neither one communicates better or worse than the other. The problem with communicating to the table usually resides with us - not whether we use one or two hands to report numbers, but whether we take the time to make eye contact, speak loudly and clearly as we state and show the number, etc., etc...

...and whether the scorer is paying attention.

NCHSAA Wed Jun 01, 2011 07:49pm

I'd like to see it
 
I wish the NFHS would experiment with two hand reporting just for the heck of it. IMO two hands look stronger.

Raymond Wed Jun 01, 2011 08:06pm

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA (Post 762762)
...IMO two hands look stronger.

When done properly. You also have officials looking like Frankenstein walking towards the table with 2 arms stiffly outstretched in front of them. :eek:

APG Thu Jun 02, 2011 01:00am

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA (Post 762762)
I wish the NFHS would experiment with two hand reporting just for the heck of it. IMO two hands look stronger.

This I agree with...two hands looks stronger when reporting, but there are too many officials who would screw it up...especially since there's such a wide degree of officials with differing levels of compentency. I think 95 percent of the people that post here could handle it with no problem, but NF has to make mechanics for everybody.

BillyMac Thu Jun 02, 2011 06:16am

Mixed Signals ???
 
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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 762765)
You also have officials looking like Frankenstein walking towards the table with 2 arms stiffly outstretched in front of them.

Over the back?

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...0c0cf2b0d84b04

Scrapper1 Thu Jun 02, 2011 08:46am

"Looks stronger"? Why? Because we see it on TV? I just disagree. It's different, but it doesn't look any better at all. One-handed reporting can be just as crisp and strong as two-handed. It's just different.

tref Thu Jun 02, 2011 09:32am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 762765)
You also have officials looking like Frankenstein walking towards the table with 2 arms stiffly outstretched in front of them. :eek:

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 762861)

Comedy!

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 762884)
"Looks stronger"? Why? Because we see it on TV? I just disagree. It's different, but it doesn't look any better at all. One-handed reporting can be just as crisp and strong as two-handed. It's just different.

Not only does it look stronger IMO, it feels stronger when I do it.
One single snap of the offenders # with 2 hands accompanied by a strong voice & body language communicates the "as-a-matter-of-fact" factor.

Snapping twice with the same hand in the same manner as above could communicate that one is slow or not very sure.
Plus the visual delivery never quite syncs up with verbal delivery! Reminds me of the old karate flicks (if you know what I mean) :D

Honestly, I believe the table crew could mess up 1 hand reporting easier than 2 handed.
It would be very easy to put a foul on #2 when reporting with 1 hand, "White twenty-four" but 2 handed it would be very clear, well, except if the official can read it themselves :eek: that would be "Fourty-two" to the table :D

I do agree with your take on us seeing it on TV! Because when I see the ones that walk & talk snap with 2 it looks waaaaay better than those than run, stop & snap with 1, twice.

Raymond Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:45am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 762888)
... Because when I see the ones that walk & talk snap with 2 ...

Too bad the percentage of 2-hand reporting officials who do it this way is very low based on my personal observations.

I'm a one-handed reporting official and my top 2 compliments when camping are my voice and my presense. Never once has anyone suggest to me that I'd looked stronger going with 2 hands.

SAK Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:57am

When doing one handed reporting we are supposed to vocalize the number that is on our hand "Five, two" rather than "Fifty-two."

How many actually do that?

APG Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:59am

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 762900)
When doing one handed reporting we are supposed to vocalize the number that is on our hand "Five, two" rather than "Fifty-two."

How many actually do that?

Always been taught opposite...to actually say the number. Too easy for a scorer to hear only one of the numbers. A lot harder to mistake fifty-two rather than five-two.

Raymond Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:03am

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 762900)
When doing one handed reporting we are supposed to vocalize the number that is on our hand "Five, two" rather than "Fifty-two."

...

Do you have manual reference for this?

JRutledge Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:45am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 762884)
"Looks stronger"? Why? Because we see it on TV? I just disagree. It's different, but it doesn't look any better at all. One-handed reporting can be just as crisp and strong as two-handed. It's just different.

+1

Peace

bball_lurker Thu Jun 02, 2011 03:36pm

Watching some summer V bball on Tuesday. Host gym coaches were reffing, which was pretty funny. He signaled all foul numbers with both hands.

Shooting foul on #11, he signals the # with both pointer fingers, of course the kids all think it's one and one. So they all play the miss. Not a huge deal, but one that should be easily avoided right?

tref Thu Jun 02, 2011 03:48pm

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Originally Posted by bball_lurker (Post 762969)
Watching some summer V bball on Tuesday. Host gym coaches were reffing, which was pretty funny. He signaled all foul numbers with both hands.

Shooting foul on #11, he signals the # with both pointer fingers, of course the kids all think it's one and one. So they all play the miss. Not a huge deal, but one that should be easily avoided right?

Value of voice!

Zoochy Thu Jun 02, 2011 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 762900)
When doing one handed reporting we are supposed to vocalize the number that is on our hand "Five, two" rather than "Fifty-two."

How many actually do that?

Not me. I do the opposite. Just as APG described.
I have had this discussion with fellow officials. And I recall, all that is mentioned in the book is to 'Report the Number'. It does not say report each seperate digit.


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