Block or Charge?

[MN 3 Sport Ref]

Originally posted by bigwhistle

Even with my line, I call a lot of PCs (maybe 1-1/2 per game)...
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Does this equate to one PC and one blarge per game? [/B][/QUOTE]

The fed needs to approve a signal for the "blarge" then we would all be off the hook anytime there is contact!!!I bet the coaches would all be angels when we used this signal as they would instantly realize the contact was legal and there should be no calll
Any ideas for a signal???

[mick]

Originally posted by Int
mick... there are no cases for 4-23-4. Doesn't mean it's not a rule. Is there a rule that says I have the ball and started a try but I'm not considered an offensive player with the ball ?

Isn't that being silly?
I pose questions.
But, you answer with that?

Can you explain your opinion with anything more than one vague rule reference? You have a case? What is it?

Where is your line? ...Shooter has to be airborne?

[Int]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick
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Originally posted by Int


Can you explain your opinion with anything more than one vague rule reference? You have a case? What is it?

Where is your line? ...Shooter has to be airborne?

Are we discussing the same thing?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me that you have a line drawn where you determine that a player begins the act of shooting and that you use that same line to determine if an opponent has established guarding position. If that is what you are saying, then I'm suggesting that you look at 4-23, because the point where you determine that a player starts their try for goal has nothing to do with a defender establishing legal guarding position. If there is a rule or case that does this, please let me know.

If that's not what you're saying then I apologize for the misunderstanding. BTW, my line for determination if a player has started their try is not as clear cut as yours. For me, the minimum requirement has to be that the ball is in your hands and then after that point it is where I'm convinced that you are moving the ball with intent to release it toward the goal. I don't think you're line is unreasonable on a basic drive to the basket but, player's do a lot of weird, wonderful and goofy things with the ball in that last 1/2 step.

[mick]

Originally posted by Int
...the point where you determine that a player starts their try for goal has nothing to do with a defender establishing legal guarding position. If there is a rule or case that does this, please let me know.

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I am trying to understand if there is a relationship between "Habitual motion" and "No time or distance" required.

There are no cases that relate these two rules.
Is the opponent with the ball (4-23) also a shooter? Probably is, eventhough all the cases I find show the opponent with the ball as a dribbler.

I should change my thoughts to be in line with the rest of you guys and not require time, or distance, until the shooter is airborne, and I should just forget the habitual motion thingy with regard to legal guarding postion so that I get on the same page with the rest of the world.

Now ,all I have to worry about is whether the defender had both feet on the floor initially and was facing the opponent.

I can do that.