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williebfree Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:16am

JV Boys, NFHS, 2-Whistle Crew
.1 second on clock until halftime

White #44 attempts 1st of 2 FTs. Blue (Visitors) calls "time", apparently to “ice” the shooter. I take this time to quickly discuss the game situation with my partner. “Less than .3 second, only a tap can be a legitimate attempt to score, etc…”

The teams return to their spots for the 2nd (last) FT. The shooter goes through his preparation, shoots, and the ball softly rolls off the front of the rim, falls to the floor and comes to rest under the rim in the lane. Neither team attempts to play the ball. I waited, and waited, and waited for ANYONE to touch the ball. FINALLY, after about 10 seconds (which seemed like an eternity) one of the players stepped toward the ball and picked it up. Horn blasts and teams hustle off to the lockerroom.

I am thinking to myself, what if no one touched the ball? What do I do?

Comments?

Int Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:26am

If you're the R, rule 2-3. THis situation is not specifically covered in the rules.

I'd go to the AP.

Dan_ref Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:26am

LOL! Now...what if no one touches the ball...howzabout you step in and kick it out of bounds. Go to the arrow, game over right after the throw-in.

Int Fri Jan 17, 2003 12:29am

If you don't like Rule 2-3, go with 10-5. Team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest.
T's for both sides.

williebfree Fri Jan 17, 2003 01:12am

Int
 
Sorry, but nothing in 10-5 indicates a "Team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest."

I did think about Referees authority (2-3) to rule on this situation, but wanted the players to take the initiative if at all possible.

South Bay HHVBC Fri Jan 17, 2003 02:29am

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can u deem the situation a jump ball situation? Im not sure but, is that a possibility?

williebfree Fri Jan 17, 2003 08:13am

Re: ..
 
Quote:

Originally posted by South Bay HHVBC
can u deem the situation a jump ball situation? Im not sure but, is that a possibility?
NO, it does not meet the requirements to "legally" be declared a jump ball.

zebraman Fri Jan 17, 2003 09:20am

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I am thinking to myself, what if no one touched the ball? What do I do?
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Eventually, even the least intelligent team will eventually figure it out. Just do what you did - stand there smiling at your partner wondering what their SAT scores must be.

Z

bob jenkins Fri Jan 17, 2003 09:35am

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Originally posted by zebraman
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I am thinking to myself, what if no one touched the ball? What do I do?
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Eventually, even the least intelligent team will eventually figure it out. Just do what you did - stand there smiling at your partner wondering what their SAT scores must be.

Z

There's some rule in 5 that the game may be shortened by the mutual consent of both coaches (and the referee in a varsity game).

It looks to me like both coaches just consented.

RecRef Fri Jan 17, 2003 09:52am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bob jenkins
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Originally posted by zebraman
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Z
There's some rule in 5 that the game may be shortened by the mutual consent of both coaches (and the referee in a varsity game).

It looks to me like both coaches just consented.
Bob's point here is well taken. Don't be a jurk about it, manage the game, get out of Dodge.

theboys Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:11am

I'm just impressed the scoreboard operator didn't start the clock!

williebfree Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:23am

This was to go into HALFTIME
 
I have worked a number of games with this timer. He is top-notch.

I still think Z is right, wait and hope one of them, who is intelligent enough to breathe will figure it out. :)

Hawks Coach Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:32am

What do you mean?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by williebfree
Sorry, but nothing in 10-5 indicates a "Team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest."

Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
SECTION 1 TEAM TECHNICAL
A team shall not:
ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an action less contest. . .

Willie
How can you make this statement? The only error in his statement is the lack of a space between action and less, which hardly changes the meaning of the rule. Your statement is only correct if you mean that the rule does not merely indicate this, it explicity states that fact. While 10-5 gives 4 examples and none include this action, if both teams sat down and refused to touch the ball, it seems that 10-5 could easily be invoked.

As for kicking OOB, since the ref is part of the floor and the ball was last touched by the shooting team, it seems that ball would go to B rather than to the AP arrow :)

williebfree Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:46am

Coach..
 
10-5 refers to the coach's status on the bench and

You are Citing 10-1-5.....

I guess we both goofed. :)

I think you know me well enough to know I am not going to be THAT "ignernt".

Ref in PA Fri Jan 17, 2003 11:04am

How about ...
 
Taking the whistle out of your mouth and suggesting that someone touch the ball so we can go to halftime? If that doesn't work, try snoring noises?


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