JV Boys, NFHS, 2-Whistle Crew
.1 second on clock until halftime

White #44 attempts 1st of 2 FTs. Blue (Visitors) calls "time", apparently to “ice” the shooter. I take this time to quickly discuss the game situation with my partner. “Less than .3 second, only a tap can be a legitimate attempt to score, etc…”

The teams return to their spots for the 2nd (last) FT. The shooter goes through his preparation, shoots, and the ball softly rolls off the front of the rim, falls to the floor and comes to rest under the rim in the lane. Neither team attempts to play the ball. I waited, and waited, and waited for ANYONE to touch the ball. FINALLY, after about 10 seconds (which seemed like an eternity) one of the players stepped toward the ball and picked it up. Horn blasts and teams hustle off to the lockerroom.

I am thinking to myself, what if no one touched the ball? What do I do?

Comments?

If you're the R, rule 2-3. THis situation is not specifically covered in the rules.

I'd go to the AP.

LOL! Now...what if no one touches the ball...howzabout you step in and kick it out of bounds. Go to the arrow, game over right after the throw-in.

If you don't like Rule 2-3, go with 10-5. Team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest.
T's for both sides.

Int
 

Sorry, but nothing in 10-5 indicates a "Team shall not allow the game to develop into an actionless contest."

I did think about Referees authority (2-3) to rule on this situation, but wanted the players to take the initiative if at all possible.

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can u deem the situation a jump ball situation? Im not sure but, is that a possibility?

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NO, it does not meet the requirements to "legally" be declared a jump ball.

Eventually, even the least intelligent team will eventually figure it out. Just do what you did - stand there smiling at your partner wondering what their SAT scores must be.

Z

There's some rule in 5 that the game may be shortened by the mutual consent of both coaches (and the referee in a varsity game).

It looks to me like both coaches just consented.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bob jenkins

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Originally posted by zebraman Quote: [i] Z There's some rule in 5 that the game may be shortened by the mutual consent of both coaches (and the referee in a varsity game). It looks to me like both coaches just consented.

Bob's point here is well taken. Don't be a jurk about it, manage the game, get out of Dodge.

I'm just impressed the scoreboard operator didn't start the clock!

This was to go into HALFTIME
 

I have worked a number of games with this timer. He is top-notch.

I still think Z is right, wait and hope one of them, who is intelligent enough to breathe will figure it out. :)

What do you mean?
 

Rule 10 Fouls and Penalties
SECTION 1 TEAM TECHNICAL
A team shall not:
ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an action less contest. . .

Willie
How can you make this statement? The only error in his statement is the lack of a space between action and less, which hardly changes the meaning of the rule. Your statement is only correct if you mean that the rule does not merely indicate this, it explicity states that fact. While 10-5 gives 4 examples and none include this action, if both teams sat down and refused to touch the ball, it seems that 10-5 could easily be invoked.

As for kicking OOB, since the ref is part of the floor and the ball was last touched by the shooting team, it seems that ball would go to B rather than to the AP arrow :)

Coach..
 

10-5 refers to the coach's status on the bench and

You are Citing 10-1-5.....

I guess we both goofed. :)

I think you know me well enough to know I am not going to be THAT "ignernt".

How about ...
 

Taking the whistle out of your mouth and suggesting that someone touch the ball so we can go to halftime? If that doesn't work, try snoring noises?

I'd probably do what willie did...except after awhile I'd yell to my partner, "Hey, Willie, have you got anyone touching the ball yet!" Maybe that would get someone to grab it, thus ending the half.
BTW,I too am impressed the clock official didn't start the clock improperly.

Otherwise, I like the "consent" rule Bob Jenkins quoted.

Dude

re:
 

Couldn't you just blow the ball dead and end the half? Only a tap could score, and that really only could've happened if one of the players tapped in the missed FT.

Re: re:
 

It is interesting that you suggest this, because it was apparent to me that both coaches had effectively instructed their players during the TO that only a tap could score. Oddly, I believe this directly lead to their strange apathy.

The only other thought on this was that somehow the group, independently but in unison, somehow construed my process of administering the FT as a 1st of 2 shots. Unlikely though, I am brief and to the point, "One throw, play it when it hits."

Just plain strange karma :)

Might have been the longest .1 second in basketball history!:D

Is being a jurk anything like being a jerk? I don't think it's being a jerk to stand there waiting for the players to catch on. If it's a 5th grade game, I'd probably say, "the ball is live players - get to it!" In a varsity game, I don't think it's being a jerk to expect the players to resume play on their own.

Z

Did anyone make it a point to complement the clock operator for being able to stop the clock with .1 left in the half? :D

It is a double-edged sword... This timer's meticulous attention to detail and anal retentativeness would not allow him to even consider "just starting the clock" or holding off "killing the clock" for .1 of a second longer. I know this to be true from previous encounters, and "normally" that is a highly appreciated quality, just not in this particular circumstance.

OY! :D

I know some very meticulous timers who have amazingly slow fingers at the most appropriate of times. Those are the qualities I admire most - attention to detail while seeing the big picture.

Very "tongue in cheek",Coach. You should have added that you"admired" them some of the time only.Not when you're the visiting team and it's the home timer displaying that trait.

Actually I am more serious than you think. We have some guys that will get everything right in a tight match-up, allowing the players to decide the game on the court. In a 20 point blowout, if it's even close, the quarter/half/game has ended, with a generous 1 second lag time.

In the ugly games, everyone wants to get out of there.

Out-a-here
 

Instead of kicking OOB. Kick it so it hits a player and start the clock.

That's easy!
 

4-2-2
The ball becomes dead:
e. When any loose ball:
2. Is on the ground motionless and no player attempts to secure possession.

Applies to kicked balls,too,doesn't it,Tony?:D

Re: That's easy!
 

Tony,

I can't find the rule reference you have cited. Rule 4-2-2 refers to Alternate Possession and Arrow.

Son, you may want to folow this link. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...9352?vi=glance

Dribble to a basket and go for a layup they will block the shot.

If they foul you take freetrows!

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Try a football rule book,Willie!

Good catch, Woody!! :D

Nah,fair catch,Tony!

Btw, http://www.uselessgraphics.com/football099.gif

Holding? Unsportsmanlike Conduct?

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Try a football rule book,Willie! [/B][/QUOTE]


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Isn't it interesting that some games a football rulebook would be more appropriate.

"ART. 5 . . . Allow the game to develop into an action less contest. . .

Willie
How can you make this statement? The only error in his statement is the lack of a space between action and less, which hardly changes the meaning of the rule."

Actually, the error IS the space. The word is "actionless", which means no action. "Action less contest" means that the action has no contest.

Bob

Bob-

I am not trying to be a "smart alec", just a literalist... and if we honestly examine the Rule you have cited, 10-1-5 we find that there is NOT a basis for calling a violation.
I agree, a verbal suggestion to "pick up the ball" should be adequate to solve this incident, but also acknowledge that there is not a rule that gives us the "authority" to declare a violation, unless you want to accept rule 2-3 as the "ultimate" authority.

Look again at 10-1-5 as it applies to my original posting...
Rule 10-1-5 (With comment to its applicability to the original situation)
... allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:
a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start a half. My comment: (Not applicable)
b. delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put into play. See 7-5-1 (Throw-in procedures) and 8-1-1 (Free Throw procedures) for the specific procedure to resume play following a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations. My comment: (Not applicable)
c. Contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players by either team prior to a free throw following the team warning for this delay. My comment: (Not applicable)
d. interfering with the ball following a goal after a team warning for this delay. My comment: (Not applicable)


Bottom Line: I am going to verbally direct the players to play the ball after a brief period of time.... 10-15 seconds max.