NFHS rule changes announced

[JBleach85]

This is great news to hear that there is now team control on a throw in when the ball is at the disposal of the player making the throw in. Having this rule in place might be difficult for coaches to understand at the beginning of the season but this will make the game better as it should stop the push offs and clear outs for positions that some players like to utilize while doing an in bounds play.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JBleach85

This is great news to hear that there is now team control on a throw in when the ball is at the disposal of the player making the throw in. Having this rule in place might be difficult for coaches to understand at the beginning of the season but this will make the game better as it should stop the push offs and clear outs for positions that some players like to utilize while doing an in bounds play.

The real problem, for me, was when I grabbed a foul off-ball determining whether the foul was during team control or not. Not looking at the ball made it tough to know for certain in one or two cases the past couple of years. Now it won't matter anymore.

[bainsey]

Can we assume correctly that the new team-control rule will not affect any backcourt rules? From what I can see in 9-9, the rules state the team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt (as opposed to out of bounds) as a violation requirement.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Can we assume correctly that the new team-control rule will not affect any backcourt rules? From what I can see in 9-9, the rules state the team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt (as opposed to out of bounds) as a violation requirement.

No, you can't assume that. It won't affect whether a throw-in can be thrown directly to the backcourt, but without adjustments or exceptions, it will affect whether tipped TI passes or bounced TI passes are violations.

Any TI pass that gains FC status before it goes into the BC (being tipped by a FC player or bouncing in the FC) would be subject to violation if the TI team is the first to touch it after it goes into the BC.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Any TI pass that gains FC status before it goes into the BC (being tipped by a FC player or bouncing in the FC) would be subject to violation if the TI team is the first to touch it after it goes into the BC.

Citation?

Going by this past year's rules (9-9-1 and 9-9-2), team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt as a requirement for a backcourt violation. Frontcourt and backcourt are defined as being in-bounds (4-13), so if rules 9-9-1&2 aren't altered, the requirements for a backcourt violation still would not be met, since team control would have been out of bounds in your sitch.

That said, I see that 9-9-3 would need tweaking, as there's a reference to no team control on a throw-in.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Citation?

Going by this past year's rules (9-9-1 and 9-9-2), team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt as a requirement for a backcourt violation. Frontcourt and backcourt are defined as being in-bounds (4-13), so if rules 9-9-1&2 aren't altered, the requirements for a backcourt violation still would not be met, since team control would have been out of bounds in your sitch.

That said, I see that 9-9-3 would need tweaking, as there's a reference to no team control on a throw-in.

No book with me, so I'm going off memory here.

1. TC begins when the ball is at the thrower's disposal. So TC condition is met.
2. FC status begins with the ball enter's the FC of the team with control. Ball status is determined by it's last point touching either the floor or a player, so a ball bouncing in the TI team's FC would gain FC status.
3. BC status would be gained when the ball bounced or is touched by a player in the BC.
4. Any TI team member who touches the ball at this point would commit a violation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Citation?

Going by this past year's rules (9-9-1 and 9-9-2), team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt as a requirement for a backcourt violation. Frontcourt and backcourt are defined as being in-bounds (4-13), so if rules 9-9-1&2 aren't altered, the requirements for a backcourt violation still would not be met, since team control would have been out of bounds in your sitch.

That said, I see that 9-9-3 would need tweaking, as there's a reference to no team control on a throw-in.

If team control exists (and it will starting with the throwin) and the ball touches in the FC/BC, team control will exist in the FC/BC. Team control doesn't require that a player be holding the ball at the moment. Team control, once it starts, persists until their is a try, a dead ball, or the other team gains control.

The NCAA rule has exceptions for these scenarios that effectively state that the BC rules don't apply until there has been player control in either the frontcourt or backcourt.

I think a better overall solution would be to define a new foul to apply during a throwin but not call it team control.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Can we assume correctly that the new team-control rule will not affect any backcourt rules? From what I can see in 9-9, the rules state the team control must exist in the frontcourt or backcourt (as opposed to out of bounds) as a violation requirement.

I think it's a pretty safe assumption to assume they'll mimic the NCAA wording.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by JBleach85

...but this will make the game better as it should stop the push offs and clear outs for positions that some players like to utilize while doing an in bounds play.

This rule change will not make any difference with regard to eliminating these fouls. Players won't be anymore aware of the rule change that my daughter's cat.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JBleach85

This is great news to hear that there is now team control on a throw in when the ball is at the disposal of the player making the throw in. Having this rule in place might be difficult for coaches to understand at the beginning of the season but this will make the game better as it should stop the push offs and clear outs for positions that some players like to utilize while doing an in bounds play.

I missed this before, but how in the world will reducing the penalty reduce the occurances?

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

This rule change will not make any difference with regard to eliminating these fouls. Players won't be anymore aware of the rule change that my daughter's cat.

And then there's that....