Rule changes

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

This is a great change...we need to take out as many exceptions as possible so we all get the calls right.

How does this eliminate exceptions? Now you need an exception to the backcourt rule, an exception to the 3-seconds rule. . .

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

How does this eliminate exceptions? Now you need an exception to the backcourt rule, an exception to the 3-seconds rule. . .

If the 3-second rule was written to include possession inbounds and in the FC, then no exception would be needed.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

If the 3-second rule was written to include possession inbounds and in the FC, then no exception would be needed.

OOB is not part of the front or back court. OOB is adjacent to the corresponding part of the court.

Rule 4-3 Art. 2. A team’s front court shall consist of that part of the playing court between its end line and the nearer edge of the division line, including its basket and the inbounds part of its backboard.

At least it's that way in the NCAA rule book. So there is no need for an exception. The NFHS just needs to define the front court in the rule book. But as it stands I see nothing in the NFHS rule or case book that tells us to have a 3-second count during a front court throw-in.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

OOB is not part of the front or back court. OOB is adjacent to the corresponding part of the court.

Rule 4-3 Art. 2. A team’s front court shall consist of that part of the playing court between its end line and the nearer edge of the division line, including its basket and the inbounds part of its backboard.

At least it's that way in the NCAA rule book. So there is no need for an exception. The NFHS just needs to define the front court in the rule book. But as it stands I see nothing in the NFHS rule or case book that tells us to have a 3-second count during a front court throw-in.

See above.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

OOB is not part of the front or back court. OOB is adjacent to the corresponding part of the court....


At least it's that way in the NCAA rule book. .... The NFHS just needs to define the front court in the rule book.

Done. See 4-13, Court Areas.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Done. See 4-13, Court Areas.

Thanks, guess I was kinda lazy on my search. So no need to make any exceptions for 3-seconds during a front court adjacent throw-in.

[bainsey]

I'm curious, though, how they're going to handle 9-1-3, in-bounding a ball to a teammate who jumps from the frontcourt, catches, and lands in the backcourt. I see a few words there that may need to be changed.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I'm curious, though, how they're going to handle 9-1-3, in-bounding a ball to a teammate who jumps from the frontcourt, catches, and lands in the backcourt. I see a few words there that may need to be changed.

You don't have to change anything...as it is, the current exemption already in the book applies to a throw-in (player catches the throw in while in mid-air)...the others being during a jump ball and by for the team not in control of the ball. If we didn't have this exception, the play would be a backcourt violation already.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

But as it stands I see nothing in the NFHS rule or case book that tells us to have a 3-second count during a front court throw-in.

If the NFHS rule was changed to include team control on a throw-in, then NFHS rule 9-7-1 would apply during front-court throw-ins without an exception. You'd need an exception for that, as well as all front-court throw-ins that went directly to a teammate of the thrower in the backcourt(9-9-1).

See NCAA rules 4-3-5 & 9-9-1(a). Those were the exceptions the NCAA had to add.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

If the NFHS rule was changed to include team control on a throw-in, then NFHS rule 9-7-1 would apply during front-court throw-ins without an exception. You'd need an exception for that, as well as all front-court throw-ins that went directly to a teammate of the thrower in the backcourt(9-9-1).

See NCAA rules 4-3-5 & 9-9-1(a). Those were the exceptions the NCAA had to add.

My contention is that even without 9-9-1(a) there is no rules basis to call 3-seconds on a front court throw-in under NCAA rules. And I say that even without exceptions you would still be able to legally throw-in directly to a teammate who has back court status.

I agree that certain exceptions are needed in regards to front/back court status for tipped balls and players who leave their feet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

My contention is that even without 9-9-1(a) there is no rules basis to call 3-seconds on a front court throw-in under NCAA rules. And I say that even without exceptions you would still be able to legally throw-in directly to a teammate who has back court status.

I agree that certain exceptions are needed in regards to front/back court status for tipped balls and players who leave their feet.

Agreed, a thrower does not have either FC or BC status, as both courts are defined as being in bounds. That said, an exception would still need to be made, otherwise the 3 second count would need to start as soon as the ball touched the FC or was tipped by any player (offensive or defensive) in the throw-in team's FC.

The same situation applies to the 10 second BC violation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Agreed, a thrower does not have either FC or BC status, as both courts are defined as being in bounds. That said, an exception would still need to be made, otherwise the 3 second count would need to start as soon as the ball touched the FC or was tipped by any player (offensive or defensive) in the throw-in team's FC.

The same situation applies to the 10 second BC violation.

You should start the 3-second cout right away. I mean no one would (just like no one calls 3-seconds during an interrupted dribble), but by rule I don't see why you wouldn't start the count.

I've never felt the 10-second back court parameters have been sufficiently spelled out in the rule or case book.

Where is my buddy Randy when I truly need him?