Lakers Game..What is Da Call??

[The_Rookie]

In Today's Lakers game at the 2:20 mark of Q4...Kobe in backcourt dribbling the ball up...makes it to just before the division line and the ball is tapped away by Chris Paul. Kobe and Paul slide and dive on floor going after loose ball. Kobe gets posession but slides out of bounds on end line.

What do you have?

A) Backcourt Violation

B) 8 second violation

C) The tap causes a reset of 8 second count..so no violation

d) Just an OOB call and ball goes to Hornets.


By the way, announcers said officials ruled "D".

Your Thoughts???

[APG]

The call should have been an 8 second violation. The ball never achieved frontcourt status. Surprised Greg Willard didn't have this as he was in great position to see the status of the ball as the slot official.

If they would have ruled it correctly, they would have retroactively put the correct amount of time on the clock (I forget if the OOB call was made at 16 on the clock or not) and New Orleans would have inbounded the ball at halfcourt.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The call should have been an 8 second violation. The ball never achieved frontcourt status. Surprised Greg Wilard didn't have this as he was in great position to see the status of the ball as the slot official.

If they would have ruled it correctly, they would have retroactively put the correct amount of time on the clock and New Orleans would have inbounded the ball at halfcourt.

Was Chris Paul standing in the Laker's FC when he tapped it?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Was Chris Paul standing in the Laker's FC when he tapped it?

Doesn't matter...a ball not in player control is not considered in the frontcourt unless it breaks the plane of the halfcourt line per NBA rules. The ball never did break the plane in this case.

[Adam]

Hmm. Ok. My next question, then, is doesn't it become a loose ball upon Paul's tip? Or does that not matter WRT the 8 second violation?

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Hmm. Ok. My next question, then, is doesn't it become a loose ball upon Paul's tip? Or does that not matter WRT the 8 second violation?

The ball is loose but the count still continues. The rule says a team in possession of the ball can not have the ball in the backcourt for 8 seconds. Team possession is established when a team is holding, dribbling or passing the ball and doesn't end until there's a field goal attempt that hits the rim or the other team gains possession of the ball.

You're thinking about the NBA definition of team control which is established when a team is holding, dribbling or passing the ball, but ends when there's a field goal attempt or the defense deflects the ball.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Was Chris Paul standing in the Laker's FC when he tapped it?

Just to answer your question - no.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just to answer your question - no.

Like I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't have mattered if he was or not. When Chris Paul knocked the ball away, player control was lost thus the ball would have to break the plane of the midcourt line to be considered in the frontcourt. This is different than the NFHS and NCAA rule.

[The_Rookie]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Like I mentioned earlier, it wouldn't have mattered if he was or not. When Chris Paul knocked the ball away, player control was lost thus the ball would have to break the plane of the midcourt line to be considered in the frontcourt. This is different than the NFHS and NCAA rule.

Lets Focus on NFHS rule application on this play:

1) Does Paul tipping the ball away from Kobe effect the 10 second count?

2) If Paul would have tipped it away while in frontcourt and Kobe recovered in backcourt..any problem?

Thanks!

[Adam]

Seems pretty cut and dried "D" to me.