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Anyone see the game? Bert Smith was the official who made the controversial non-call. But did he give Mike Davis too much cushion before hitting him with the second technical? He was really trying not to give it to him. I'll give Smith credit for seeming amazingly calm and collected as Davis barked in his ear while following him toward the scorer's table. He even asked Davis to "Walk away" several times. I'm just curious how some of you other guys might have handled it. I think I would've been quicker with the second technical. I like Davis, but I think he was way out of line. By the way, Davis apologized for the outburst. When has a coach ever done that?
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 03:59pm
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I thought that he did an incredible job of handling the situation.
The first technical was a given — Davis knew that when he headed out onto the court. So, you have a 1-point game with 10 seconds left and you are going to shoot two free throws for the technical. At this point I think that you want to avoid having to assess another one. The last thing you want are people thinking that you were too quick on the trigger on the second one. The way that Bert handled it, there was no doubt that Davis deserved the second one. Bert said, "Walk away" at least 3-4 times before he finally whacked him the second time. Ample opportunity for the coach to regain composure. As a final note, until I am working an Big Ten / SEC game on ESPN like this, I think I'll hold back on the what-I-think-I'd-do comments... There is no way to compare the pressure in that game and in that situation to something that happens at the high school or JuCo level, IMHO. - Brad
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 04:34pm
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I watched the game and on the replay Bert was out of position to make a call. With the game on the line he should have closed down on the play, but he chose to stay back and make a no call. I think he knew he was out of position and that is why he gave Davis so much time before he gave the T
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 05:14pm
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I thought he handled it superbly. Gave Davis the chance to leave, but had to eventually T him a second time.
As for the call, a very difficult call to make. They showed the replay a few times. I even rewound the tape and slowed it down to see, it still wasn't clear. If there was a foul, it was probably #50 (Edsill?) who pushed an Indiana player into his teammate. Maybe one of the other officials could have picked that up. These officials did not have the luxury to review the tape.
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 05:40pm
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How can anybody, (fellow official, fan, player, or coach) criticize Bert the way he handled the situation? First of all, I don't think any official wants to determine the outcome of the game, unless it is an obvious foul, violation, etc. The IU layup was a terrible shot, hitting the bottom of the backboard. There was no obvious contact that made the layup a disadvantage.
Bert's composure was unbelievable. So calm and cool, giving coach Davis every opportunity in the world to cool down. Only one pointer to the young officials out there, whenever a coach comes out towards you, walk them back to their box to become less conspicuous. Coach Davis showed no class by coming on to the court, but showed class by stating he was wrong, admitting his mistake.
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 06:38pm
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 06:39pm
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The call is irrelevant....
A coach has no business out on the floor.
Period. The merits of the call or no call aren't worth discussing, unless we turn this into a discussion on 3-man mechanics. I wonder what the IU administrators thought when they saw Davis come out on the floor, though. A flashback, perhaps?  Rich
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Mon Dec 23, 2002, 07:14pm
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My only question is where was his partners when davis came out on the floor? One of them should have been between Davis and the calling official. I don't think the other crew members left him out there by himself. I feel someone should have walked Davis back to the coaching box. This could have prevented a second T. If the second T were called the second member should have given it. Where is good help when you need it.
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Tue Dec 24, 2002, 02:05am
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According to ESPN, the first T was given by Mike Woods, who was the trail official and out of camera view.
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Tue Dec 24, 2002, 03:32am
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Tue Dec 24, 2002, 08:46am
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Nope. I agree completely.
(Here's where I'll probably show some ignorance. I've worked some three-man in HS playoffs in the past and I'm planning on attending a 3-man camp in the spring and will read up thoroughly on the mechanics before I do, but right now will just make an relatively uninformed observation.) With players moving as fast as they do, I've always thought that old-time wisdom (the official to whom the play is heading is responsible) was flawed. The C on this play has both angle AND distance (I'll stop before I sound like a baseball clinician) and I think the best position to make the call. Even if the lead initiated a switch, I would think that the trail would have the best view of the entire play developing. Sometimes more distance is a good thing. I had a play last week where a player drove the lane and plowed into a defender near the basket. Even working as deep as I could, I had a heckuva time getting both driver and defender into the same visual frame at the same time. While unconventional, there's no doubt in my mind that the trail would have a better view of the play -- well, excepting of course that the driver and the defender were both in my primary and neither ever left it. Rich
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Tue Dec 24, 2002, 09:25am
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Davis may get suspended
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Fri Dec 27, 2002, 02:51pm
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I heard they might suspend Davis for 5-6 games. Hey, it's not like he threw a chair or anything!!
My opinion is that the second technical could have come a little quicker. The official did a good job of trying to de-escalate Davis by saying "walk away", but I would have only said it twice (however, I'm still a rookie official) . By saing it several times, the ref "gave Davis a gift"--kind of opens up the can of worms that people may interpret as "sorry, we missed that call, so here's your chance to back down before we tech you again". Just my opinion. I was watching the game and screamming "c'mon, tech him again!!" even though I really wanted Indiana to win. Davis was in the wrong, and his staff was no help. It was an easy call to make. At least Davis apologized for the error, and admitted that his error put the final nail in the coffin for that game. Games can be won with less than five seconds on the clock. It ain't easy, but it can be done. Diana
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Fri Dec 27, 2002, 06:28pm
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