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[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

You are changing my play situation. I explicitly exclude advantage, and you retort by putting it into the situation. I'm not trying to apply the Tower Principle. I said I figured others would, given that there is no advantage gained IN MY SITUATION, together with the fact that grasping is allowed while dunking. I mean, we don't call grasping the rim when the attempted dunk misses, so it can't be that there is some strict rule that the ball must go through the ring before grasping is allowed--or am I wrong there, too?

A player is not allowed to grasp the basket unless he's doing so to prevent injury or his hand is legally in contact with the ball in the process of dunking or stuffing the ball...otherwise it's a technical foul...period. What is hard to understand about that? Why are you the only one having an issue with the rule? How is it that everyone else understands this simple rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

A player is not allowed to grasp the basket unless he's doing so to prevent injury or his hand is legally in contact with the ball in the process of dunking or stuffing the ball...otherwise it's a technical foul...period. What is hard to understand about that? Why are you the only one having an issue with the rule? How is it that everyone else understands this simple rule?

Dunking does not legally allow a player to grasp the rim.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Dunking does not legally allow a player to grasp the rim.

Shut up Snaq*...I knew what I was saying.



*Of course you are correct.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Shut up Snaq*...I knew what I was saying.



*Of course you are correct.

LOL, I only corrected you because someone seems honestly confused about applying an exception to the BI rule to a technical foul.

That would be like allowing traveling because of 9-9-3.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

LOL, I only corrected you because someone seems honestly confused about applying an exception to the BI rule to a technical foul.

That would be like allowing traveling because of 9-9-3.

As I said to APG, I was disregarding BI, entirely, so I couldn't be confused about it. My question was a very narrow one having to do with technicals for grasping during a dunk--which I regret ever asking, now. Grasping during dunking or attempted dunking is virtually universally allowed under the guise of injury prevention, right--even though in many cases it's theatrics, habit, or whatever. You guys don't call it unless you feel it's egregious or excessive, somehow, I assume. So, I was wondering how many of you would parse the language to include the case of an off-hand grasping the ring a bit early--to no advantage--as being within the limits of injury prevention (preemptive, as it may be), and how many of you would not care about advantage, and T it, regardless. For instance, Snaq, I would have guessed you would let it go if there was no advantage gained, given what you have said previously about contact, and since you don't care what coaches, players, or fans think about your judgment.

[APG]

I feel like most every official would call a T or the appropriate violation if a player grabbed the rim with the off-hand and then preceded to dunk the ball with the other hand. For the most part, we don't apply advantage/disadvantage to violations/technical fouls. I suppose you could say a player grabbed the rim to prevent injury and not call the T, but whenever I've seen this called it's pretty obvious that there was no threat of injury.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I feel like most every official would call a T or the appropriate violation if a player grabbed the rim with the off-hand and then preceded to dunk the ball with the other hand. For the most part, we don't apply advantage/disadvantage to violations/technical fouls. I suppose you could say a player grabbed the rim to prevent injury and not call the T, but whenever I've seen this called it's pretty obvious that there was no threat of injury.

As I said before, it's a "T" if the grasp wasn't done to prevent injury. That "T" makes the ball dead, so the subsequent dunk is moot. But if you feel the grasp was made to prevent an injury, no "T" but you still call the BI.

That obviously wasn't for your benefit. You knew that.

NFHS rule 4-6-1 and casebook play 9.11.1SitB for Randy.