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We, not "I', apply R10-3-3 as it's written and as per the direction we've been given by case plays, POE's etc. The exception under 4-6-1 applies to a dunk attempt only. That exception states that after dunking, you can legally touch the ring. The common application of that exception by most experienced officials is that they will also include a legal quick grasp of the ring following a dunk under the "touch" part of the exception as long as the dunker immediately lets go. That was the purpose and intent of the rule under both NFHS and NCAA rules. What we won't allow is that quick grasp of the ring after a dunk to develop into holding onto the ring with no one under you, swinging, pull-ups, etc. That's the purpose and intent of R10-3-3, and that's why that rule was enacted. |
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There is no advantage/disadvantage involved. You call the freaking rule the way it was written and the way the rulesmakers want it called. And you learn the rules by asking questions and then accepting the damn answers. Especially when the damn answers are backed up by rules citations. It's not our fault that you don't understand those rules citations; it's your's! You'll never learn a damn thing until you realize that. |
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I don't know if I'm more flexible...I agree with JR's assessment of this play fully. I'm actually not sure what you're hung up on as far as grasping or A/D or intent. I've never heard anyone have an issue with the rule as written. Everyone knows what kind of "grasp" we're talking about on a dunk attempt that needs to be called a T. If you want to say we're reading into the "intent of the rules" then so be it.
If you don't believe us, go ask your assignor/rules interpreter how you should handle this play. Go watch the best officials in your association work and when you get the chance to talk to them, ask them how they would handle the play. I'm 99 percent sure, they would handle this play the exact same way.
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It's a a waste of time debating anything with you. My responses were directed at others that might be reading and maybe were a little unsure of how to properly call the situation being discussed. You know, if some of the knowledgable people that posted in this thread trying to educate you told me that I was full of sh!t, I'd probably head for a mirror to check the brown line on my forehead to see if I was down a quart. You? It would be "No, I'm right and y'all are full of it." |
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Players don't grasp the rim DURING the dunk, they grasp the rim after the ball has left their hand(s). This clown is making an argument on something that never happens.
He is saying on a normal dunk attempt players grab the rim while still holding the ball. Why oh why are you entertaining this guy who not only cannot officiate, but now seems like he never even played the game? He's gone from someone who played for 20 years then started officiating to now someone who observed the game for years with no mention of officiating.
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What caliber does it take to kill this thing?
More power to you. Without making a judgment on the efficacy of your approach, in my neck of the woods, if there's a blow-out, ALL concerned (and I do mean EVERYONE) accept and expect us to waive the enforcement of certain rules to mitigate humiliation to the under-performing team's players. We call it "game management." Maybe you feel that falls under the general intent and purpose of the rules, and therefore, as such, is not a waiver of the rules. That would be a mere semantic difference between us, I think. Quote:
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Randy, I've made a big mistake trying to explain some things to you. I won't make the same mistake again. You simply just don't want to learn. You already know everything there is to know from your vast experience of watching and playing basketball.
Hopefully, the other esteemed members on this site will come to the same conclusion...and we can all just collectively ignore you in the future. Have a great rec-league career. You're right where you belong and you sureashell ain't ever going anywhere else. Ta-ta. |
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