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[Adam]

That reminds me.

Popcorn sounds good.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

That comports with my observations as a spectator.

Well there's something faulty with your observations. What you think is happening is probably not happening. If you wish to, find an example on YouTube or any other site and share it with us. If it's happening as often as you said it was, then surely it would be easy to find video evidence?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not if the grasping was done while control of the ball had been lost.

FTR, I've revised my post. The exception in 4-6 does not apply to 10-3. I should have caught that before responding, but I've now crossed out the irrelevant portions of my initial response.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

I'm not sure I'm being understood.

No, we're crystal!!

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

FTR, I've revised my post. The exception in 4-6 does not apply to 10-3. I should have caught that before responding, but I've now crossed out the irrelevant portions of my initial response.

To be fair, I was sidetracked when basket interference was brought up earlier. JR was right that it didn't apply in this case.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

All during the downward dunking motion. As I said previously, no hanging, no propulsion, no prolonging. Where's the advantage?

Perhaps stabilization, improved yaw, reduced pitch, upward negative thrust...who gives a Canadian nickel, it's illegal for good reason. This isn't a case where you apply the Tower Principle and I'm not really sure why you are trying to.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Well there's something faulty with your observations. What you think is happening is probably not happening. If you wish to, find an example on YouTube or any other site and share it with us. If it's happening as often as you said it was, then surely it would be easy to find video evidence?

Sheez: "comport" means to be consistent with, or agree!

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

Sheez: "comport" means to be consistent with, or agree!

Umm...my bad!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Perhaps stabilization, improved yaw, reduced pitch, upward negative thrust...who gives a Canadian nickel, it's illegal for good reason. This isn't a case where you apply the Tower Principle and I'm not really sure why you are trying to.

Mainly because it's not in the rule, but you're right in that TP is often applied where the rule itself doesn't call for it (3 seconds, Duke travels). And there's also the "That Guy Principal," you don't want to be the only ref in your area calling something.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Perhaps stabilization, improved yaw, reduced pitch, upward negative thrust...who gives a Canadian nickel, it's illegal for good reason. This isn't a case where you apply the Tower Principle and I'm not really sure why you are trying to.

You are changing my play situation. I explicitly exclude advantage, and you retort by putting it into the situation. I'm not trying to apply the Tower Principle. I said I figured others would, given that there is no advantage gained IN MY SITUATION, together with the fact that grasping is allowed while dunking. I mean, we don't call grasping the rim when the attempted dunk misses, so it can't be that there is some strict rule that the ball must go through the ring before grasping is allowed--or am I wrong there, too?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

You are changing my play situation. I explicitly exclude advantage, and you retort by putting it into the situation. I'm not trying to apply the Tower Principle. I said I figured others would, given that there is no advantage gained IN MY SITUATION, together with the fact that grasping is allowed while dunking. I mean, we don't call grasping the rim when the attempted dunk misses, so it can't be that there is some strict rule that the ball must go through the ring before grasping is allowed--or am I wrong there, too?

A player is not allowed to grasp the basket unless he's doing so to prevent injury or his hand is legally in contact with the ball in the process of dunking or stuffing the ball...otherwise it's a technical foul...period. What is hard to understand about that? Why are you the only one having an issue with the rule? How is it that everyone else understands this simple rule?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

A player is not allowed to grasp the basket unless he's doing so to prevent injury or his hand is legally in contact with the ball in the process of dunking or stuffing the ball...otherwise it's a technical foul...period. What is hard to understand about that? Why are you the only one having an issue with the rule? How is it that everyone else understands this simple rule?

Dunking does not legally allow a player to grasp the rim.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

You are changing my play situation. I explicitly exclude advantage, and you retort by putting it into the situation.

You left an important factor out which I included but that is really neither here nor there.

I'm not trying to apply the Tower Principle. I said I figured others would,

You sure seem to be arguing that we should be but since others aren't saying to, what does that tell you? Is your first thought that we are all wrong?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Randy, your question has already been answered by JR. You are making this way too complicated. You can't grasp the rim save for the specific exceptions that have already been cited in the thread. I really don't understand what your confusion is. It's a pretty basic basket rule.

That's what is confusing him.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Dunking does not legally allow a player to grasp the rim.

Shut up Snaq*...I knew what I was saying.



*Of course you are correct.