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Adam Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 747140)
Instead of us wondering if Mr. Adams liked the no-call or not, lets just ask big jake what he said.
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JRutledge Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 747125)
The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.
It might and it might not. But I do not think anyone is going to go crazy over this not being called either. The game is over and the game was not in question. Maybe if the game was on the line yes, but it was not. I doubt this even makes a memo or a video in any way. If anything it might be said directly to the official at hand, but I doubt a big deal will be made out of it in any way.

Peace

Victor74 Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:51pm
Calling a travel (which it was) at this point would have only delayed. The Butler players would have been mad at that point. I understand officiating until the final buzzer, but not making the travel call had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever.

Camron Rust Tue Apr 05, 2011 01:56pm
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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 747125)
The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.
Not likely. Any evaluator worth their salt will commend them for making a good decision to not call it.

As someone else said, right call, wrong time. Too may want to lose sight of the big picture and make calls without considering the context of the situation.

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 05, 2011 03:31pm
I worked a HS rec game just last month with a guy who made an almost identical call. Team A was up by 15 with about two seconds to go and A1 traveled in much the same manner as what happened in the UConn - Butler game. After the game, I asked him if he thought it was necessary to make that call and I thought his answer was very thoughtful. He said it was "automatic". He explained that his brain just automatically reacts to seeing a travel regardless of the game situation and he can't help but blow his whistle.

tref Tue Apr 05, 2011 03:50pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 747188)
He said it was "automatic". He explained that his brain just automatically reacts to seeing a travel regardless of the game situation and he can't help but blow his whistle.
Thats unfortunate :(

Its better to respond than react. Apparently at the higher levels, game managment (time, score & situation) does play into what call is or isnt made.
We were provided with a great example of that last night.

Adam Tue Apr 05, 2011 04:34pm
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Originally Posted by tref (Post 747199)
Its better to respond than react. Apparently at the higher levels, game managment (time, score & situation) does play into what call is or isnt made.
We were provided with a great example of that last night.
To me, this is like the ability to reach out of your area when you need to. It comes with experience. As the game itself slows down for an official, he/she becomes more capable of making these decisions on the fly.

jbduke Tue Apr 05, 2011 04:36pm
My favorite quote
 
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
--Emerson, from "Self-Reliance"

Nevadaref Tue Apr 05, 2011 06:00pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 747107)
I think Burr and company would recognize there's a difference between a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 2 point game and a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 12 point game.
That is the important factor. The context must be considered.

Last night neither Butler nor Connecticut cared about those last few seconds. In the Big East tournament Rutgers and St. John's were still playing.

BktBallRef Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 747091)
Did anyone else notice that with about 1.5 seconds left in the game that the UConn player, who was holding the ball waiting for time to expire, picked up his dribble and jumped coming back to the floor with the ball?

Everyone wanted a pound of flesh from Burr and company. I wonder what Adams thought.

Pretty sure we will see those two plays next year at the preseason meetings. Referee until the end.

Good grief...who cares? The game was all but over. No need to make a call in that sitch when the Butler players are walking off the floor.

LeeBallanfant Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:02pm
I have had a play like that and I reacted slowly and by the time I blew the whistle the game was over.

Camron Rust Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 747303)
Good grief...who cares? The game was all but over. No need to make a call in that sitch when the Butler players are walking off the floor.
About the only thing that should have been called at that point would be an intentional or flagrant foul.

Rich Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:35pm
I had a player roll the ball in my direction with about 7 seconds left in a 30 point game this season. Ball was heading out of bounds. I stopped it with my foot so it wouldn't go out of bounds -- the players were already shaking hands.

Raymond Wed Apr 06, 2011 07:43am
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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 747337)
I had a player roll the ball in my direction with about 7 seconds left in a 30 point game this season. Ball was heading out of bounds. I stopped it with my foot so it wouldn't go out of bounds -- the players were already shaking hands.
I had a player throw me the ball and I just knocked it back at them. They looked at me kinda funny. Also had one where the ball was rolling towards me and I just stopped it with my foot like you did.

GoodwillRef Wed Apr 06, 2011 07:57am
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Originally Posted by 7IronRef (Post 747104)
I hear what you are saying, but Adams has made it clear. If it is a violation at the beginning of the game, it is a violation at the end.

No one is complaining (including me), but if he doesn't hold them accountable, I would believe that Burr & Co would be wondering why they were reprimanded for not calling a travel/OOB and not last nights crew.

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.
Reprimanded...? Didn't Burr work the NCAA tournament?


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