Referee to the end - UConn v Butler
 

Did anyone else notice that with about 1.5 seconds left in the game that the UConn player, who was holding the ball waiting for time to expire, picked up his dribble and jumped coming back to the floor with the ball?

Everyone wanted a pound of flesh from Burr and company. I wonder what Adams thought.

Pretty sure we will see those two plays next year at the preseason meetings. Referee until the end.

Seriously?
 

I saw it.

What are you going to do, blow your whitstle and call a travel?

C'mon, man.

I hear what you are saying, but Adams has made it clear. If it is a violation at the beginning of the game, it is a violation at the end.

No one is complaining (including me), but if he doesn't hold them accountable, I would believe that Burr & Co would be wondering why they were reprimanded for not calling a travel/OOB and not last nights crew.

We are getting to the point where everyone demands that all things are treated equally.

I think Burr and company would recognize there's a difference between a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 2 point game and a travel with 1.5 seconds left in a 12 point game.

I doubt they're juvenile enough to respond with, "Hey, but look at what they did!"

"Everyone" or you?

That would be the absolute apex of OOO imo.

We also are at the point where a little common sense is needed too. There is absolutely NO comparison between the two situations. One affected the game; the other one if called wouldn't even affect the point spread, let alone anything else. I doubt very much whether Adams has even thought of whether a violation should have been called in that particular circumstance.

Seriously????

Peace

Hey 7iron, you should have used a 5 iron because you are way short on this.

Ever hear of the saying "right call, wrong time"
I think the travel fits this situation.

JR, Rut, Snaq, InRef
 

The officials get evaluated on every game. They review every play and get scores based on correct call and incorrect calls. It is likely it will be pointed out to them.

I agree it would have been OOO, agree that there is a difference between the two games, and I AGREE WITH THE NO-CALL (I would not have called it either).

I was just stating that I think the message will be referee to the end and there are two plays that might be used to get the message across. John Adams likes to make sure the message is clear.

I think, if anything, you'll see a memo for the coaches to have their players to cease from these kinda actions at the end of games.

I think Adams has plenty of video in the Burr/Higgins/Walton game, he won't need to use this video. Otherwise, you'll start seeing officials make this call. BNR's right, if anything, it'll be a coaching memo to get the players to stop making the officials have to make this decision. If that doesn't work; maybe then he'll want this call made.

Maybe, but doubtful.

Maybe the biggest stage.....
 

but not the first time I've seen it.

Heck I've seen players put the ball on their hip and go shake hands or hug their opponent with the last few ticks just a tickin away.........

I saw it. And I passed on it.

LMAO! Fantastic.

Instead of us wondering if Mr. Adams liked the no-call or not, lets just ask big jake what he said.

It might and it might not. But I do not think anyone is going to go crazy over this not being called either. The game is over and the game was not in question. Maybe if the game was on the line yes, but it was not. I doubt this even makes a memo or a video in any way. If anything it might be said directly to the official at hand, but I doubt a big deal will be made out of it in any way.

Peace

Calling a travel (which it was) at this point would have only delayed. The Butler players would have been mad at that point. I understand officiating until the final buzzer, but not making the travel call had absolutely no impact on the game whatsoever.

Not likely. Any evaluator worth their salt will commend them for making a good decision to not call it.

As someone else said, right call, wrong time. Too may want to lose sight of the big picture and make calls without considering the context of the situation.

I worked a HS rec game just last month with a guy who made an almost identical call. Team A was up by 15 with about two seconds to go and A1 traveled in much the same manner as what happened in the UConn - Butler game. After the game, I asked him if he thought it was necessary to make that call and I thought his answer was very thoughtful. He said it was "automatic". He explained that his brain just automatically reacts to seeing a travel regardless of the game situation and he can't help but blow his whistle.

Thats unfortunate :(

Its better to respond than react. Apparently at the higher levels, game managment (time, score & situation) does play into what call is or isnt made.
We were provided with a great example of that last night.

To me, this is like the ability to reach out of your area when you need to. It comes with experience. As the game itself slows down for an official, he/she becomes more capable of making these decisions on the fly.

My favorite quote
 

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
--Emerson, from "Self-Reliance"

That is the important factor. The context must be considered.

Last night neither Butler nor Connecticut cared about those last few seconds. In the Big East tournament Rutgers and St. John's were still playing.

Good grief...who cares? The game was all but over. No need to make a call in that sitch when the Butler players are walking off the floor.

I have had a play like that and I reacted slowly and by the time I blew the whistle the game was over.

About the only thing that should have been called at that point would be an intentional or flagrant foul.

I had a player roll the ball in my direction with about 7 seconds left in a 30 point game this season. Ball was heading out of bounds. I stopped it with my foot so it wouldn't go out of bounds -- the players were already shaking hands.

I had a player throw me the ball and I just knocked it back at them. They looked at me kinda funny. Also had one where the ball was rolling towards me and I just stopped it with my foot like you did.

Reprimanded...? Didn't Burr work the NCAA tournament?

The whole crew from the Rutgers game was removed from doing games for the rest of the Big East's tournament schedule.

But Burr did get 2 games in the NCAA Tournament.

Higgins received no games but he may not have been receiving any games anyway.

Walton didn't get any NCAA games after working the last couple years. But he did some NIT games.

None of which fall under the purview of the Big East leadership. They were "punished" by the Big East for what happened in a Big East game.

Plus, Adams gave a sort of verbal reprimand. Well, more of a finger wag, but still....

I understand...but that had nothing to do with John Adams.

I think it was Shows who passed on the travel. If he'd acted reflexively and called it, no gripe. But do you really want to make the Butler kids have to walk back across the floor to take a meaingless inbounds when the other team is already celebrating? Seems kind of cruel.

Good point, I guess thats why they dont just let anybody work those games.

Too bad. I could really have used the money.

Ikr

There's some rule in FED, and I think in NCAA, that a game can be shortened if both coaches and the R agree.

The actions of the game indicate that's what happened, even if the clock operator didn't quite get the message.

Like CBS would ever allow that to happen. ;)

He also worked a Big Ten tournament game after he left NYC.

When To Call The Violation ???
 

When I watched it live, I did give it a few seconds of thought, and figured, "Well. The game's over". Thus, I have no problem with the no-call. Lopsided game. Only a few seconds left.

However. Same lopsided score. How much time has to be left to make this violation call? Five seconds? Seven seconds? Ten seconds? Twelve seconds?

Let's not put a time limit on this... experience will tell us when to blow, just like any other game management decisions we make night to night.

+1 No need to over analyze this; an old dog told me that once.

Like say the end of the UCONN/ND game?:)

You've GOT to be kidding.

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There was an NCAA game last year that I saw on ESPN where there were 37 seconds left in a 30 point game and the winning team dribbled to the front court and held the ball. With about 10 seconds left in the game and 8 on the shot clock, the losing team walked over to their bench. The shot clock expired with a horn, but the handshakes already started. The clock operator ran 2 seconds off the clock and the refs left the floor. Thought it was interesting.

I would put that in the "I'll call it, but YOU explain it" category!