Restart counts? (FED)

[bainsey]

The whole idea of picking up a count where we left off goes against the simple concepts of team control and a dead ball.

A backcourt count starts when there's team control in the backcourt. It doesn't start during a throw-in (no control), and control ends when the ball is dead.

Once that ball is dead, whatever happened prior to that point is irrelevant. We start fresh. We don't care whether a team crossed the division line before the dead ball. That ball is dead. And from there, we start over, so you can toss that throw-in anywhere you want in-bounds. If it's controlled in the backcourt, then there it is. Start counting.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

The whole idea of picking up a count where we left off goes against the simple concepts of team control and a dead ball.

A backcourt count starts when there's team control in the backcourt. It doesn't start during a throw-in (no control), and control ends when the ball is dead.

Once that ball is dead, whatever happened prior to that point is irrelevant. We start fresh. We don't care whether a team crossed the division line before the dead ball. That ball is dead. And from there, we start over, so you can toss that throw-in anywhere you want in-bounds. If it's controlled in the backcourt, then there it is. Start counting.

Concepts can have exceptions. We already have a major one to that concept with the shot clock. The 10-second backcourt count isn't some sort of sacred cow. You don't even have one in games played under NCAA-W rules. It's not like asking to raise the basket to 11'.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Concepts can have exceptions. We already a major one to that concept with the shot clock. The 10-second backcourt count isn't some sort of sacred cow. You don't even have one in games played under NCAA-W rules. It's not like asking to raise the basket to 11'.

Sure they have exceptions, but if we go to that, would we then not allow a front court throwin to be thrown into the BC? Again, I see this as the proverbial solution in search of a problem.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sure they have exceptions, but if we go to that, would we then not allow a front court throwin to be thrown into the BC?...

I don't think the 2 have to be intertwined. Apples and oranges IMO.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

...Again, I see this as the proverbial solution in search of a problem.

I think you could find ample enough folks who think it is a problem for a team to get 10 additional seconds to cross midcourt just because they called a time-out.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I think you could find ample enough folks who think it is a problem for a team to get 10 additional seconds to cross midcourt just because they called a time-out.

I don't know, BNR. If by "folks," you mean fans, then I think this doesn't make their radars. (I say the number one fans' desired change is a national shot clock.) If you mean coaches, maybe, but my best guess is most are indifferent to this. If you mean officials, then I doubt it, as it's just another thing we'd have to think about, and most of us would say we have enough as it is.

Getting back to the shot clock, a backcourt-count rule change would be far more easily enforced if there were a shot clock nationwide. If you get a shot clock first, then I think we could make this change more effectively.

[constable]

In FIBA, the backcourt count is not reset on an OOB or held ball where the offence retains possession. FIBA also only allows 8 seconds to advance the ball over half.


I don't have a problem with keeping the back court count, but a 5 second or 3 second count being suspended by a time out is foolish to me.

[doubleringer]

Instead of worrying about back court counts, how about a shot clock instead? I really like the lack of a back court count and the shot clock in the college women's game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Instead of worrying about back court counts, how about a shot clock instead? I really like the lack of a back court count and the shot clock in the college women's game.

Now what do you think the odds are that CMB will want to spend the money on a shot clock set up?

[doubleringer]

With their rich alumni? I'd say it would be easy to get the funds. The 4A girls coaches across the state were talking about using a shot clock experimentally, but it never came to be unfortunately.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

With their rich alumni? I'd say it would be easy to get the funds. The 4A girls coaches across the state were talking about using a shot clock experimentally, but it never came to be unfortunately.

I know one alumnus would who wouldn't contribute to such a purchase.

[doubleringer]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I know one alumnus would who wouldn't contribute to such a purchase.

Cheapskate!!!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by constable

FIBA also only allows 8 seconds to advance the ball over half.

Is that 10 seconds in metric? BTW - did you know that France was the first country to adopt the metric system? Figures.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Cheapskate!!!

Guilty